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Category:Bu Halim Shaybani family

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete without prejudice against creation if it can be appropriately populated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:03, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small cat where there's only one family member and the family page Bu Halim Shaybani family Mason (talk) 23:28, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Poets associated with Dundee

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 23#Category:Poets associated with Dundee

Category:People of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 23#Category:People of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan

Category:People of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 23:24, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: All (non-lists) entries are already in the Category:21st-century Afghan people tree. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:52, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Australian people of Mandaean descent

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The result of the discussion was: Rename/delete a bunch of other actions are proposed here that are already discussed in standalone CfD discussions. The specific proposal here is uncontested. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:40, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: the five articles are all about Mandaean priests and scholars from Iraq (in one case, Iran) who settled in Australia. Mandaean descent does not apply to any, as articles clearly identify each of them as Mandaean themselves, and say nothing about descent. I believe they would be better located in Iraqi/Iranian emigrants to Australia (already are) as well as an Australian Mandaeans category, per the format in Australian people by religion. This change of scope would leave the second nominated category empty, to be deleted by default. Place Clichy (talk) 19:01, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Adding a 3rd category with similar features: one article, already in Category:Iraqi Mandaeans and Category:Iraqi emigrants to the United States and primarily defined as an Iraqi poet. Place Clichy (talk) 02:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Buildings and structures of the Greek Orthodox Church

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Greek Orthodox buildings and structures. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 23:24, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename, the current name is confusing because there is not a single church body with the name Greek Orthodox Church. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:05, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Assassinated heads of state by type

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Assassinated heads of state. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 23:23, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:41, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Russian professors

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The result of the discussion was: merge "Russian/Moscow/Soviet professor foo" into "Russian/Moscow/Soviet academic foo". There was opposition because of the way Russia does titles in academia, but supporters argued that job title is less important than profession. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 16:22, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category, and the potential parent category Category:Professors redirects to Category:Academics Mason (talk) 16:03, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! This is not an overlap. This is a national specificity. See Academic ranks in Russia#From Associate to Full Professor --Мит Сколов (talk) 17:16, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Historical revisionism of comfort women

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 23#Category:Historical revisionism of comfort women

Category:Television series by Seven.One Studios

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:45, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Of the ten articles in the category, only one (Plan B (2023 TV series)) mentions Seven.One Studios (a redlink but see ProSiebenSat.1_Media#Seven.One_Studios). In any case, the link between the articles seems tenuous at best, so it's not clear that this categorization is meaningful. Pichpich (talk) 18:45, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Ethnic Albanian people

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Three relists; three different opinions. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:06, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: overlapping cat Mason (talk) 15:18, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete per the reasoning at this CfD about "ethnic" Armenians. Nobody is in fact ever primarily defined as an ethnic Albanian, as Dante is still arguably a well-known Italian writer although he was never a citizen of any state called Italy. JPL has a history of placing this moniker indiscriminately for people who are not citizens of the nation-state that bears the name of the language they speak. This recent re-creation is putting together content that was already perfectly fine where it was before, especially in Albanian diaspora, People of Albanian descent and other ethnic group categories. Especially, the intersection categories with occupations are made-up gatherings or loosely related people that do not seem eligible under WP:OCEGRS. If kept, merge as nom as a damage control measure. Place Clichy (talk) 15:53, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Note that the category has apparently been purged, so that it does not contain any diaspora/descent categories. Place Clichy is right that diaspora/descent categories do not belong here, but they aren't here either. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Companies of insular areas of the United States by city

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 23#Category:Companies of insular areas of the United States by city

Category:Aston Villa Academy Graduates

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. A majority of participants supported deleting this category; their arguments were centered upon WP:DEFINING, and the redundancy of both this category and Category:Aston Villa F.C. players. There were two people who supported keeping this category, both for different reasons. The first was an argument that it is, in fact, defining. However, this argument is simply not enough to overcome the four !voters who expressed the belief that it is not defining. The second was an explicit appeal to WP:ITSUSEFUL, followed up by WP:ITSHARMLESS, and thus was given less weight. Therefore, there is consensus for deletion. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:02, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not needed, not defining, we already have Category:Aston Villa F.C. players and no similar categories for other clubs exist as far as I'm aware (and if they do, they also need to go). Indeed, I recall similar youth categories being deleted in the past (one for Celtic ringing bells?). GiantSnowman 14:57, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
and how is not playing for a club defining? This is not a problem that needs fixing, the main category covers all players who have been signed with the club.
In the same way that attending a school or university is a defining feature of a person, the same can be said for being part of a football academy, even if you didn't go on to play for the senior side. The fact that there are not categories for other sides is whataboutery, there is no WP:Football consensus on not having academy categories, it's just your opinion. I genuinely don't see how having this extra piece of information does any harm, in fact for me personally it is a massive boon to be able to see who came through the Villa academy easily, even if they didn't go on to play senior football at the club. Mountaincirquetalk 08:47, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's no WP:FOOTY consensus to keep this, people shouldn't be creating categories for one team just because they WP:LIKEIT. If people think that academy categories should be created, a centralised discussion proving them as defining should be had. None of the discussion here actually proves that playing for Villa youth and not the senior team is a defining characteristic of their career. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:39, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly - this is not a school, this is a football team, and a category already exists. GiantSnowman 17:40, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete if players also played for the senior team, then this is a category duplication. If they only played for the youth team, then that's WP:NOTDEFINING, as youth football isn't likely to be the most important thing they've done in their career (as players who only played youth football aren't generally notable). Either way, this category is unnecessary, which is why it correctly doesn't exist for every other football team. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:36, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wives of Holy Roman Emperors

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 22#Category:Wives of Holy Roman Emperors

Category:Eldest sons of British hereditary barons

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The result of the discussion was: manual dual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:47, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:CATDEFINING. Also, eldest sons become barons after their fathers kick the aristocratic bucket (unless of course they predecease them or the title gets taken away for some reason), and there are plenty of baronial categories. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:56, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. per nom Mason (talk) 16:08, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Twin sportspeople

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 16:13, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:TRIVIALCAT. This category has been nominated twice before here and here with no consensus reached but not since 2020. It has been nominated for deletion rather than merging since allow of the articles are presumably already in their national subcategories. While I am skeptical as to whether being a twin is defining at all, having X profession and being a twin seems like a totally trivial intersection. As TRIVIALCAT states, "For biographical articles, it is usual to categorize by such aspects as their career, origins, and major accomplishments." User:Namiba 12:53, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:English diplomats

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Diplomats of the Kingdom of England. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 23:34, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is to make clear that this category is for the pre-1707 Kingdom of England, per category description, at a time when England had a foreign policy under its name. This is borderline WP:C2C per Category:People of the Kingdom of England. The trouble with the current name is that some articles relative to later period end up being placed there. I purged some of them: Cyril Graham, Stanier Porten, John Udny, Simon Clement, James Dorner. Place Clichy (talk) 11:35, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer subsidiaries

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The result of the discussion was: keep. OP was subsequently blocked as a sock, so there is zero legitimate support for a merger. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 23:32, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: On October 3, 2023, MGM Holdings was absorbed into Amazon Studios and renamed to Amazon MGM Studios. Note that Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM), Orion Pictures and American International Pictures are the separated subsidiaries within it. RidwanZatmiko (talk) 02:56, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:19th-century Albanian military personnel

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 23#Category:19th-century Albanian military personnel

Category:Sheikh Mansur Movement

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 23#Category:Sheikh Mansur Movement

Category:Assyrian/Syriac Palestinians

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 23#Category:Assyrian/Syriac Palestinians

Category:9th-century Frankish monarchs

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The result of the discussion was: redirect to Category:Monarchs of the Carolingian Empire. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 16:10, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: redirect, overlaps with Category:Monarchs of the Carolingian Empire (all articles are already in there as well). Marcocapelle (talk) 11:19, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. per nom Mason (talk) 16:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Establishments in the Burgundian Netherlands by century

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Establishments in the Burgundian Netherlands. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 16:09, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer for a polity that lasted only one century. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:32, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. per nom Mason (talk) 16:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Flags of Vatican City

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 23#Category:Flags of Vatican City

Category:Stewart family

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 16:04, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:Smallcat (n<3 ) without a corresponding eponymous article about the family Mason (talk) 03:57, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Women of the Crusader states

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Women from the Crusader states. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 16:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: from, not of Mason (talk) 02:41, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Interethnic marriage

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Exogamy. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 16:04, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category is not distinct enough from the parent that splitting it would be an improvement in terms of navication. Current content is "just" Interethnic marriage, Category:International marriage and Category:Interracial marriage. They all fit in the parent (and were there until a month ago). Place Clichy (talk) 00:48, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional indigenous Siberian people

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The result of the discussion was: delete. In terms of strength of the arguments, the opposition to deletion rebutted some OP's concerns about the factual accuracy of the category. However, subsequent delete !voters pointed out that few of the articles in the category tree are actually "Fictional indigenous people from Siberia", tipping both numbers and strength of the arguments in favor of deletion. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 23:30, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category does not make sense. The only content is 3 child categories (Fictional Ainu people, Fictional Eskimo and Inuit people, Fictional Mongolian people, none of which can be primarily defined as indigenous Siberian people. This category serves as a bridge to Category:Fictional indigenous people of the Arctic, which clearly does not apply to Ainus (a Japanese people) or Mongolian people, and is already a parent of the Eskimo and Inuit category. This category is just useless for fictional characters category, and not defining. Place Clichy (talk) 00:24, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Ainu, Eskimo (Yupik), and Mongol people all live in Asian Russia (AKA Siberia), and are all indigenous to regions within Siberia. Your rationale doesn't make much sense. AHI-3000 (talk) 03:10, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not all Siberia is Arctic, or North of the Arctic circle. Mongolia cannot be placed in the Arctic, however you stretch it. Same for Hokkaido and Sakhalin, the homeland of the Ainu people. Place Clichy (talk) 10:05, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the Arctic category, try a different reason for why this should be deleted. AHI-3000 (talk) 16:48, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Korean tea culture

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:East Asian tea ceremony and Category:Korean tea. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 15:59, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: 1 item in category Mason (talk) 00:02, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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