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Category:Rulers of Dos Pilas[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:04, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D List of kings of Dos Pilas; all bios in this list identify each person as a "king" as well. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:17, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Establishments in the Kingdom of Israel (united monarchy)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:04, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This was created by Greyshark who is not currently editing. He only populated it with Beersheba, perhaps because Saul is said to have built a fort there; but in the Bible, Beersheba is first mentioned in connection with Abraham. If the category is not deleted, City of David (archaeological site), Solomon's Temple and Millo would belong there, and perhaps Stepped Stone Structure, Large Stone Structure (Bronze Age Jerusalem) & the redirect Solomon's palace. – Fayenatic London 22:16, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, plus the fact that there is great controversy surrounding the very historicity of this state. You'll find most modern scholars today saying that if there was a "king David" who reigned in Jerusalem, he was probably more like a chieftain on a hillfort. Archaeologists claim that the population of Jerusalem wouldn't have been large enough to sustain an army to control as much territory as various Hebrew Bible passages claim. Whether Tel Be'er Sheva is biblical Beersheba, let alone whether the Davidic dynasty controlled it, let alone whether it was established during that time, or earlier or later, are very much open questions. I don't think it's responsible to have a category like this about such an uncertain period, as it implies great certainty where there is little. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:27, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete — WP:SMALLCAT mythological period of roughly 30 years that nobody seems to be able to locate within several hundred years. Therefore, unable to accurately populate with a year of establishment.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:25, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as SMALLCAT, whose content is dubious. The rationale given by Nederlandse Leeuw is contrary to the practice of WP, which accepts Biblical texts for what they appear to be, not according to modern sceptical theories. It does the same with other mythical or legendary texts, which are much less credible. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:35, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Not really. Religious texts are WP:PRIMARY sources that are never taken at face value, except for direct quotations and such. Religious texts have no special status over other mythical or legendary texts, and they are not considered much [more] credible just because lay people have faith in them. We still need WP:SECONDARY reliable sources (preferably scholarly ones) to critically analyse them. See also Template:Religious text primary. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:56, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Monarchs by religion[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 21#Category:Monarchs by religion

Category:Rulers in the Achaemenid Empire[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename, purge & reparent. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:08, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Needless cat in between. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • They are kings, ok, but they are not kings of the Achaemenid Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:01, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Understood: "of". For example, Yatonmilk is in Category:Kings of Sidon. But not all Kings of Sidon were vassals in/of the Achaemenid Empire. Better to rename and purge. Modified my !vote.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:58, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Rename/reparent/purge has the same effect as merge/create new subcat, so that is fine with me. It should be listed for manual work in any case. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:59, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rulers of Cappadocia[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:09, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D List of monarchs of Cappadocia. (List of Achaemenid satraps of Cappadocia has been split off, as governors aren't "rulers"). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:36, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Private detectives and investigators[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:09, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, the two categories are parent and subcategory of each other at the same time, and the difference between them is unclear. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to simpler common name. Circular categorization breaks the tree. While some called themselves detectives at the time, nowadays they are legally called investigators. Recently merged Detectives for the same reason.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:09, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support merger/move to Category:Private investigators.--AHI-3000 (talk) 20:43, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Alanic rulers[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:10, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2B established practice: all people in this cat are described as "kings". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:43, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Finnish legal television series[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:10, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 19:38, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • In this case there was no need to merge, as the article is already in other categories for both Finnish and legal TV series. But there are now two members. – Fayenatic London 22:27, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, supporting both the above comments. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:42, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Estonian landowners[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:11, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 19:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Finnish people convicted of kidnapping[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:11, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Sole article already suitable categorized Estopedist1 (talk) 19:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Scythian rulers[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:12, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2B established practice: all 20 people in this cat are called "kings" (except Olthacus, who is called a "chief"), and Scythia and Iškuza are both commonly identified as "kingdoms". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:22, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cimmerian rulers[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:12, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C and WP:C2D: it's in Category:Thracian kings, and all three people in it are described as "Cimmerian king". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rulers of Pontus[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 21#Category:Rulers of Pontus

Category:People associated with Stonehenge[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Archaeologists of Stonehenge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:13, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename and purge per WP:OCASSOC and re-parent to Category:Archaeologists. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:05, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Alt?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 18:46, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Depictions of people on film[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 21#Category:Depictions of people on film

Category:Virtue[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:16, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, not a useful additional categorization - car chasm (talk) 19:22, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose it could also be converted to a list. - car chasm (talk) 19:23, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 18:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Does not match WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, which speaks about subjective decriptive words. Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 19:39, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep — these each seem to be defined as a virtue. The topic has plenty of references. This is not a people category, so not a problem with subjective labels.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:21, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lithuanian National Prize[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 21#Category:Lithuanian National Prize

Category:Rulers of Sparta[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:17, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D List of kings of Sparta. WP:C2B all three subcats are titled "x kings of Sparta". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:59, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rulers of Epirus[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 21#Category:Rulers of Epirus

Category:WarnerMedia[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: redirect. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I don't know what the state of this category was at the time of the previous CfD discussion last year, but only one page now remains in this category: the main article. All other WB assets and subcats have since been moved to Category:Warner Bros. Discovery, and no new pages will be added to this category in the foreseeable future. As the predecessor to WBD, the WarnerMedia page should be moved there as well, leaving this category up for either merging or deletion. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:57, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Finnish homeopaths[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 21#Category:Finnish homeopaths

Category:Streets and roads of Cape Town[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:25, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There are more than enough categories representing "Roads in Cape Town", such as Category:Roads in Cape Town and Category:Streets in Cape Town. GeographicAccountant (talk) 08:15, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Digital paintings by Jenny Parks[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:27, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, the category only contains one file. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Non-fungible token[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: combine respectively. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Pluralize; this is primarily a set category listing individual non-fungible tokens, not a topic category. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:52, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: All 3 articles placed directily in this category are in fact about non-fungible tokens. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:52, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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