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Category:Ancient Rhodian philosophers

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: combine. to Category:Philosophers in ancient Rhodes (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 07:58, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Roman-era Rhodian philosophers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Ancient Rhodian philosophers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:OCLOCATION, WP:SMALLCAT, not a useful division - car chasm (talk) 00:26, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If not kept, merge to Category:Ancient Rhodians and (the first category only) to Category:Ancient Roman philosophers. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There are categories for Ancient Greek philosophers by origin or region for places like Asia Minor, Athens, Chalcidice, Crete, Ionia, Macedonia, Magna Grecia, Syria etc. It makes some sense in Ancient Greece as there was a number of city-states and certainly no single state. The Rhodian school had an identity by itself, as seen for instance in "Pheidias Apollonius (ca. 4th century BC), unveiling the ancient Greek medico-philosophical school of the island of Rhodes". Place Clichy (talk) 15:09, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep Second one and merge~~ "Ancient Rhodian philosophers" into it. It is appropriate to split by city state at this period. The amalgamation of the whole of Greece into one polity (or a few) by Alexander the Great and then by the Romans does not change that. Each city will have remained internally self-governing as a polis (Latin civitas). Ancient is generally taken to refer to any time up to about 500 AD, so that the split off of Roman era is unnecessary, but does this not also need upmerging to a more general Roman era category. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 20:05, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rename parent Category:Ancient Rhodian philosophers to Category:Philosophers in ancient Rhodes
- Partial Upmerge sub-Category:Roman-era Rhodian philosophers to Category:Philosophers in ancient Rhodes

— this is a mess. Both are under Category:Hellenistic-era philosophers by origin or region, but "Hellenistic era" is ended by "Roman era". So they are unlikely to be both! Worse, Andronicus of Rhodes has Rhodes in his name (by ancestry), but taught in Rome; not Ancient Rhodian, actually Ancient Roman. Let's agree that during Ancient Roman, we categorize by language, not by city.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:11, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge both to Category:Philosophers in ancient Rhodes. There really isn't much of a tree for "Roman-era philosophers" once outside of Athens and Rome. (Alexandria with 3 pages and Rhodes with 4.) So I think we may need to reconsider the fruitfulness of even trying to have Category:Roman-era philosophers by origin or region as a separate tree. - jc37 17:18, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It sounds reasonable to abandon that tree but care should be taken that articles stay in the tree of Category:Ancient Roman philosophers so it should be a dual merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Jc37 and I just had an edit conflict nominating the parent Category:Roman-era philosophers by origin or region for deletion. S/he got the CfD, I got the nomination.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
lol Oh. Funny : )

I'll add them to your nom then. - jc37 17:25, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Let's handle these two here, and those two there. Changed my !vote to match here.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:28, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I agree with Peterkingiron, and I see no reason to delete small categories that may have scope for expansion. Our coverage is not complete. Dimadick (talk) 15:44, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there's much hope of expansion here, barring new archaeological discoveries. Rhodes isn't exactly the heart of classical antiquity... - car chasm (talk) 18:54, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 19:08, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(changed vote) - agree with consensus for Category:Philosophers in ancient Rhodes. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:39, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Ambassadors of Moldova to Liechtenstein

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 08:00, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Ambassadors of Moldova to Liechtenstein to Category:Ambassadors of Moldova and Category:Ambassadors to Liechtenstein
Propose merging Category:Ambassadors of Moldova to Switzerland to Category:Ambassadors of Moldova and Category:Ambassadors to Switzerland

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCATs newly created for the same single person. As always, "Ambassadors of Country-X to Country-Y" categories are not automatically created the moment there's just one person to be filed in them -- since diplomats are not "inherently" notable but don't necessarily always have sufficient WP:GNG-worthy coverage to clear our actual inclusion standards for diplomats either, such categories are not necessarily always expandable. So dedicated X-to-Y categories are supposed to be created only when that combination describes at least five or six people, and if there's only one then he's just left in the appropriate "Ambassadors of X" and "Ambassadors to Y" parents.
With around 180 countries in the world, routinely categorizing every ambassador for their specific X-Y combo(s) would require the creation of 32,400 categories for every possible X-Y combo -- as well as leading to extreme category bloat, since ambassadors are often reassigned to more than one different country over the course of their careers and could thus need to be filed in five or six of these at the same time. So obsessively diffusing everything down to categories of one doesn't aid navigation at all. Bearcat (talk) 14:51, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Many siblings may be nominated as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and delete — well reasoned.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:53, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment for UK we probably have a full set of categories. The Liechtenstein category should probably be deleted, since is is an additional role for the Swiss post, but we should be open in the long run to a wide set of diplomat categories. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:44, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Historical buildings

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 08:01, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Historical buildings in Saudi Arabia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose merging Category:Historical buildings in South Africa (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to

Category:Historic buildings and structures in South Africa

Nominator's rationale: No need for redirect from incorrect spellings.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 03:19, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete/merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/merge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 18:16, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/merge doesn't quite get to speedy deletion with WP:R3 but feels similarly unlikely to help readers. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:50, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge item 2 (leaving redirect), but the other is a cat-redirect, whose purpose is to prevent it being inadvertently re-created and populated. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:46, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.