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October 29

Category:Medieval civilizations

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:26, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Medieval civilizations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete and manually move Category:Medieval Islamic world to Category:Civilizations. "Civilization" usually covers multiple countries together (e.g. the western civilization), or covers a region that does not have clear division in countries (e.g. ancient Greece). This category however only contains single countries and dynasties (with one exception), which we normally do not refer to as civilizations. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:40, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Most civilizations most of time existed as universal empires or one country. Civilization continues to exist after political unification. All subcategories here called "Dynasties" cover civilizations in particular periods. For example, "Tang Dynasty" covers the Chinese civilization in the Tang period. The category can be moved to "Tang civilization."

Medieval Japan and Thailand are the same as ancient Greece - regions that do not have clear division in countries.

Christendom is a Christian analogue to the "Medieval Islamic world".

To sum up, civilizations existed in the Middle Ages. Their categories are named as "Empires" or "Dynasties".--Maxaxa (talk) 21:58, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We already have Category:Empires and Category:Dynasties so if you consider these concepts to be overlapping then the category of civilizations is redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:14, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Then the whole Category:Civilizations is redundant. And why to have article Civilization if we have Empire and Dynasty? Maxaxa (talk) 01:42, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As a whole it is not redundant at all, for example the Indus Valley civilisation was neither an empire nor a dynasty, that was a civilisation in its own right. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above. One can say "ancient civilization", but "medieval civilization" looks odd. Brandmeister^talk 22:19, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can you refer to a reliable historian arguing that the Middle Ages was a second Stone Age without written records? Maxaxa (talk) 02:06, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a weird reaction. The discussion is about the usage of the term "civilization", not about being civilized. Can you refer to a reliable historian who uses the term "civilization" interchangeably with the terms "empire" or "dynasty", is the better question of this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No. Historians do not interchange. They call civilizations "civilizations". Wikipedians interchange. Like this list from Empire:

Many of the empires on this list link to dynasties and most link to titles not incorporating "empire", like periods, histories, peoples, countries, ancient countries, kingdoms, khaganates, caliphates, republics... Maxaxa (talk) 16:39, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you think there is improvement possible in that list, feel free to discuss it over there. It has no relationship with this discussion about civilizations however. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No relationship? We did not discuss "using terms interchangibly"? Only one day before? Maxaxa (talk) 08:19, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We discussed that about civilizations. You cannot argue not to improve something because you see a seemingly similar problem somewhere else. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is not similar problem. This is similar solution. I can argue that the same solution is applicable as in many good lists and categories. --Maxaxa (talk) 18:45, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 15:18, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Medieval Kurdish physicians

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:27, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Medieval Kurdish physicians to Category:Kurdish physicians

Nominator's rationale: soft merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only one article in the category. No objection to recreating the category when there is a handful of articles that fit. I have not specified any other merge targets because the article is already in the tree of the other two parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 15:19, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Shopping malls by management company

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 6#Shopping malls by management company

Category:Transport in North America by country

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 6#Category:Transport in North America by country

Category:Wikipedians interested in the Roman Empire

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:34, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Wikipedians interested in the Roman Empire to Category:Wikipedians interested in ancient Rome

Nominator's rationale: If you're interested in Ancient Rome, you're automatically interested in Roman Empire. Dr Salvus 15:44, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, just the imperial period of ancient Rome is a too narrow interest topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:42, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

October 29

Category:Medieval civilizations

Category:Medieval Kurdish physicians

Shopping malls by management company

Category:Transport in North America by country

Category:Wikipedians interested in the Roman Empire

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