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September 15

Category:Fire Emblem mass media

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 08:51, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Fire Emblem mass media to Category:Fire Emblem media files

Nominator's rationale: Update to new standards as per these discussions. (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:28, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy rename C2C per convention of Category:Video game media files. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:47, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rename, correcting an earlier mistake. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:1985–90 Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone seasons

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 08:53, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:1985–90 Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone seasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Delete. It appears from Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Directory/Categories that there used to be a set of categories for five-year periods, which have now all been split to single-year categories. Somehow this one is still here. Its two member pages are already in more specific sub-categories, so no merger is needed. I note that the preceding Category:1980–85 Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone seasons was deleted last month as empty, but I have not looked into the matter further. – Fayenatic London 15:34, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No such category tree. Dimadick (talk) 17:21, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Both articles are in the yearly categories. Grutness...wha? 04:02, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Probably delete - we have Category:Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone seasons with annual subcategories. I can see an argument for merging annual categories into something larger, because most seem to be small categories, but an annual scheme is probably the better option. These straddle two years, because in the southern hemisphere, New Year is mid summer. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:42, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:DC Comics animated short films

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 08:51, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:DC Comics animated short films to Category:Animated short films based on DC Comics

Nominator's rationale: Per reasons given for the move of its parent category. ★Trekker (talk) 15:33, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support DC Comics' characters have been adapted into films, but the company is not a film or animation studio in its own right. Dimadick (talk) 17:24, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:DC Comics short films

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 08:52, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:DC Comics short films to Category:Short films based on DC Comics

Nominator's rationale: Per its parent categories Category:Films based on DC Comics and Category:Short films based on comics, as well as its sister category Category:Short films based on Marvel Comics. ★Trekker (talk) 15:28, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support DC Comics' characters have been adapted into films, but the company is not a film or animation studio in its own right. Dimadick (talk) 17:24, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Robin (character) animated films

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 08:54, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Robin (character) animated films to Category:Robin (character) films

Nominator's rationale: SMALLCAT. There are only three films. ★Trekker (talk) 15:27, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The arts

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Option A Timrollpickering (talk) 08:57, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming, to standardise on either "arts" or "the arts". Currently the by-century categories are named "in the arts", but the by-decade and by-year categories are named "in arts".

Option A: use "the arts"

110 by-decade categories "in arts" → "in the arts"

614 by-year categories "in arts" → "in the arts"

Option B: use "arts"

41 by-century categories "in the arts" → "in arts"

Nominator's rationale: to achieve consistency. The categories should all use the same format: either "in the arts" or "in arts".

I strongly prefer option A ("in the arts"), because:

The title of the head article is The arts. Categories should match the head article
"The arts" is less likely to be confused with the subtopic art.

But I would prefer option B to the status quo. The inconsistency is silly. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:45, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging. All 765 categories have been tagged, in these edits. The last one was at 09:38 (UTC). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:22, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
WikiProject Arts has been notified[1]. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:36, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
WikiProject Visual arts has been notified[2]. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:37, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
WikiProject Literature has been notified[3]. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:41, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
WikiProject Media has been notified[4]. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:44, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion: The arts

add your comments and !votes here

Upmerge -- I have only been able to sample this. For older periods "The arts" seems to have subcategories for "art" (primarily graphic and pictorial) and "works", which is wider, including literature and even buildings. The best solution may be to eliminate the "The arts" layer, so that all sub-cats are directly in the annual, decade, or century. By the early 16th century, there start being a few more subcats, but mostly ones that fail SMALLCAT. By the 20th century, there may be enough to have annual and decade container categories, but I am not sure. If it is a choice between Arts and The arts I would prefer the latter - Option A. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:48, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments - the top category is Category:Arts, renamed from Category:The arts via cfd: 2006_May_25#Category:The_arts_to_Category:Arts. This would suggest using 'arts' throughout (Option B). However I also strongly prefer 'the arts' and would support a rename of Category:Arts back to Category:The arts (C2D, per the article The arts). I also agree that there should be consistency. Oculi (talk) 14:49, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Oculi, that 2006 CFD seems perverse, because the head article has been at the arts since 2005 (and possibly earlier). The 2006 discussion doesn't even mention that. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:27, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - My thinking exactly, together with the sweeping claim by the nom that the 'the' makes no difference. Sometimes people just fall in line with an erroneous claim made with sufficient confidence. Oculi (talk) 15:01, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Option A for the two reasons mentioned by nominator. Admittedly Peterkingiron has a point that the categories start too early in history, at all three levels (of century, decade and year), but we should have a separate discussion when would be a more meaningful starting point for every of the three levels. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:07, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Option A to match the main article. Dimadick (talk) 17:26, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Option A - because I think that is the way most people would usually say it. Plus, the well-reasoned explanations of the nominator and those above. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 18:47, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Option A though I'd happily delete at least half of these dreadful 1/10th-filled cats. Johnbod (talk) 20:21, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Option A. Sounds more natural, and that's certainly how people who work in the arts describe it (myself included). Grutness...wha? 04:03, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Option A, as it's more idiomatic. Ham II (talk) 07:55, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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