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Category:Pan-tropical fauna[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:27, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate, consistency with Category:Pantropical flora, Category:Pantropical spiders and Pantropical. Also rename Category:Pan-tropical fish to Category:Pantropical fish. DexDor (talk) 20:28, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - per nom. Oculi (talk) 21:42, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (see Ngram), but it may be useful to leave redirects at the hyphenated names. – Fayenatic London 11:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support; keep category titles consistent. Plantdrew (talk) 17:01, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tanks of Greece[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. The most convincing argument is that of WP:NONDEFINING included in the nominator's rationale; who a piece of equipment is sold to is not part of the definition of that piece of equipment. I sympathize with the thought that this is a common category type; but the weight of the guideline (not Policy, mind you) is on the side of delete. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:03, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING. None of these tanks were produced or designed in Greece. Schierbecker (talk) 20:10, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Nomination tidied up. DexDor (talk) 20:34, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Military equipment (and probably anything else that's mass-produced) should only be categorized by country of origin. DexDor (talk) 20:37, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The category is not named "Tanks produced in Greece". More generally, Category:Military equipment by country and its subcategories are commonly used in Wikipedia for equipment used, and not only produced, by countries, since most countries in the world produce only a few weapons types, and import the rest. Constantine ✍ 20:53, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The most produced tank ever is only categorized as a "Soviet" tank. Perhaps a mass rename is in order ("Tanks produced in...") so that these categories do not have to be constantly cleaned out. Schierbecker (talk) 21:51, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some equipment (e.g. some types of guns) has been produced (under license or otherwise) in many countries so that would be overcategorizion. DexDor (talk) 21:58, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some tanks too. I would argue that country categorization doesn't make sense for American weapons produced after the 1960s. The DoD had an enormous hand in designing tanks at least until the M1 Abrams. The Pentagon does not micromanage such things now. Multinational defense companies today have further eroded the idea of an "indigenous" combat vehicle. Schierbecker (talk) 23:04, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • In nearly all cases there's a clear country of origin (e.g. F-35 - US) or it's a collaboration between a small number of countries (e.g. MGCS). DexDor (talk) 06:39, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The category creator is wrong - see, for example discussions such as this. DexDor (talk) 21:58, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That page appears (although it's not clear from the lede) to be about current/future equipment. See List of historical equipment of the Hellenic Army. DexDor (talk) 12:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Listify -- Allowing categories to be added to a type of tank for every country that uses it would produce intolerable category clutter. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:39, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The lists already include the 5 tanks in the category (and others such as Leopard 2) so no listification is needed. DexDor (talk) 19:16, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I stand corrected, and agree that no further listifying is needed. Delete. – Fayenatic London 14:22, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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2018 sports-related lists[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 17:41, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Seems better to me. For info, the parents include e.g. 2018-related lists and Sports-related lists. – Fayenatic London 13:48, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Transmisogyny[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge toCategory:Transphobia and Category:Misogyny User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:44, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 February 10#Category:Transmisogyny

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Category:Transgender erotica[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:27, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article and one subcategory. A merge to the other parent category is not needed, since the content is already in another part of that tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:34, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Transgender rights by region[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge manually. MER-C 16:26, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently one article and one subcat. Merge to the other parent is not necessary, since all content is already in another part of that tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:32, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Animated Green Lantern films[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (Talk) 17:17, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Too small. Films should be added to the main Category:Green Lantern films. ★Trekker (talk) 21:30, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural oppose, if not kept, this category and all film categories below should be merged somewhere. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:02, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Category:Films by character was created in July of 2019. It, and all the single character subcats - including this one - should be deleted as overcategorisation. - jc37 02:49, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Support this merge, with only two parent categories it is a bit easier to see that this must be correct. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:33, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Animated Wonder Woman films[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (Talk) 17:17, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category is too small. One entry is not even about the character. ★Trekker (talk) 21:28, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural oppose, if not kept, this category and all film categories below should be merged somewhere. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:02, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Category:Films by character was created in July of 2019. It, and all the single character subcats - including this one - should be deleted as overcategorisation. - jc37 02:49, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Support this merge, with only two parent categories it is a bit easier to see that this must be correct. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Animated Aquaman films[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (Talk) 17:16, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Too small category. ★Trekker (talk) 21:28, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural oppose, if not kept, this category and all film categories below should be merged somewhere. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:02, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Category:Films by character was created in July of 2019. It, and all the single character subcats - including this one - should be deleted as overcategorisation. - jc37 02:49, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Support this merge, with only two parent categories it is a bit easier to see that this must be correct. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:36, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Areas of traditional spread of Ukrainians and Ukrainian language[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Ukrainian-speaking countries and territories. Note that there does seem to be some consensus that the category needs some culling or updating. bibliomaniac15 06:03, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Similar to other irredentist categories in the same region, emphasized by this discussion. See also recent discussions about Category:Slovene ethnic territory (here) or Category:Bulgarian land (here), and the deletion discussion about Category:Ukrainian-speaking countries and territories. Place Clichy (talk) 21:13, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (don't merge) per WP:NONDEF, and the articles are not about irredentism either. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:49, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Consider renaming to Category:Ukrainian-speaking countries and territories, which would be consistent with many siblings in Category:Administrative territorial entities by language. – Fayenatic London 11:40, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support that rename -- The previous category of the name (which was deleted) appears to have covered countries, rather than territories. However, we should discourage the addition of parts of the former USSR that have a Ukrainian minority, as a result of the dispersal pf population to places of exile under Stalin's purges. This left Russians as an ethnic minority in Estonia and Estonians as a minority in Siberia. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:40, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • If kept and renamed, the category needs serious purging. For example, only 0.9÷ of the population of Novosibirsk Oblast are Ukrainians. In fact I expect only the Ukraine article itself to remain in the category, so I leave my earlier delete vote unchanged. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I would be open to a rename, but I categorically object to the insinuation that Ukrainians (while fighting a war on their own soil) have some aggressive irredentist plot to take the Kuban, for example (an area that is certainly historically quite Ukrainian-inhabited). Frankly, that seems like propaganda out of RT or Sputnik. --Calthinus (talk) 03:14, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • So if I understand correctly this is only opposing the original proposal, not opposing the alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:01, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose merger to "Ukrainian irredentism". Weak oppose to deletion. I agree with you that Novosibirsk should not be included. Other places like Kuban should.--Calthinus (talk) 20:29, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also see Ukrainians in Kuban. It was 55% in 1926, prior to Stalinist repression against Ukrainians and the Holodomor. The Ukrainian identity of the region was erased by force, although majority of the population still has Ukrainian last names.--Sanya3 (talk) 18:16, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • (from nom) Support deletion outcome, weak oppose renaming to Ukrainian countries and territories. Places in the category are not Ukrainian countries and territories, and arguments in the deletion discussion for this target category are still valid. Place Clichy (talk) 20:35, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Place Clichy It is entirely wrong to be treating this as a question about whether the category in question concerns "Ukrainian countries and territories". It does not. No territorial claim whatsoever is implicit. What is implicit, is a valuable mapping of the retreat of a disadvantaged and threatened language (Ukrainian) in the face of an advantaged one (Russian). This is more like analogous cases with Irish, Scottish Gaelic, Cornish, Welsh, Breton, Belarusian, Occitan, Dalmatian, etc.--Calthinus (talk) 18:10, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    My mistake, I meant Ukrainian-speaking countries and territories. This is the renaming that has been suggested, and I'm not convinced by it. However, the current title mentions traditional spread of Ukrainians and includes the likes of Novosibirsk Oblast, so this clearly is an imprecise gathering along imprecise criteria of places very loosely related to Ukrainians or Ukrainian. Place Clichy (talk) 23:22, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Many of those are no longer Ukrainian-speaking, due to policies of forced Russification during the last several centuries.--Sanya3 (talk) 18:18, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cthulhu Mythos symbols[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Categories have been emptied so discussion is closed. Liz Read! Talk! 05:14, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category has little potential for growth. Also, I doubt that its two members are actually notable. ―Susmuffin Talk 08:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Fair enough. There was a second article in this category but that has apparently been deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:38, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Liz: both articles have apparently been deleted in AfD, could you please close the discussion? Marcocapelle (talk) 22:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People who compete in parasports[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Parasports competitors. – Fayenatic London 22:58, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename in order to align with the main article Disabled sports and in order to align with the format of Category:Sports competitors. An alternative speedy rename request was opposed. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:11, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
discussion at CFDS
  • Alt rename to Category:Parasports competitors, per my original declined speedy nomination. The proposed wording is ambiguous as it is not clear whether it means people who compete in parasports (e.g. Jonnie Peacock) or sports competitors with disabilities who compete in able-bodied sport (e.g. Shaquem Griffin) or former sports competitors who are now disabled (e.g. Mike Utley). I think the main article disabled sports needs a rename, either in favour of the non-ableist parasports or disability sport which appears to be quite a bit more common than disabled sports on google. SFB 17:54, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Sillyfolkboy: so, are you starting an RM? If you are, the closing of this discussion can probably wait until the article name has been settled. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:12, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Mamluk scholars[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Scholars of the Mamluk Sultanate and Category:Theologians of the Mamluk Sultanate Timrollpickering (Talk) 15:01, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I created both categories a while ago. The intention was for the categories to contain scholars/theologians who lived under Mamluk rule. They may not necessarily be of Mamluk descent (Category:People of the Mamluk Sultanate vs Category:Mamluks). Al-Andalusi (talk) 08:42, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Films directed by Kovelamudi Surya Prakash Rao[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Films directed by K. S. Prakash Rao User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:45, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 February 10#Category:Films directed by Kovelamudi Surya Prakash Rao

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Category:Discovery Home original programming[edit]

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Category:The Family Channel original programming[edit]

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Category:Transformers characters in video games[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:28, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Seems like an unnecessary category. It's not a unique enough criteria that it makes sense in the Transformers category structure, and "Robot characters in video games" is not so full as to need to filer out articles by franchise. TTN (talk) 04:37, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge I mean, what notable Transformer characters are not in a video game by now?ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:07, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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