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Category:Fiscal agents[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 10:04, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT and, possibly, WP:NARROWCAT. Could also speedy delete per containing only a single eponymous article. Doug Mehus (talk) 21:40, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank, @Marcocapelle:, though I wonder if we shouldn't be using the verbiage merge for what is effectively a delete and upmerging of the articles contained in the to-be-deleted category into the parent or related category? Reason I say this is because I noticed XfD closing admin @MER-C: closed two categories I nominated as merge and upmerged the contents, but the categories now still exist as empty categories. Friendly pinging MER-C so he/she can clarify the procedures.--Doug Mehus (talk) 18:21, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
They were pending deletion, and are now deleted. MER-C 18:33, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Germanic diaspora[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:35, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Germanic is a language family. It is not an ethnicity. There is very little in common between the various diasporas from countries with languages in the Germanic family when they are in diaspora. There wouldn't be any venue or cultural element bringing together people from Afrikaner, Luxembourgian, English, Swiss and Norwegian diaspora. Therefore I think this container category is unnecessary, if not misleading. Nominated for deletion because all its content is already in another sub of Category:Germanic peoples. Place Clichy (talk) 19:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Simplified languages[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 2#Category:Simplified languages

Category:Minhagim[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn after it was removed from a few previous subcategories. Other issues, like renaming and category tree structure were also addressed to satisfaction of the nominator. Involved, non-admin closure, in view of consensus and withdrawal of this nomination.Debresser (talk) 22:12, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Recently-created parent category for Ashkenazi Jews topics, Romaniote Jews topics and Sephardi Jews topics. Article Minhag explains that "Minhag is an accepted tradition or group of traditions in Judaism." If these groups of traditions are essentially identical to what is covered in Category:Jewish ethnic groups, then the categories should probably better be merged (per WP:OVERLAP and WP:OVERLAPCAT). If they are not, then Ashkhenazi, Romaniote and Sephardi umbrella categories should not be found there. @Bohemian Baltimore: courtesy ping creator. Place Clichy (talk) 14:48, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - there is also a Category:Nusachs for a related concept. Minhag § Nusach seems to use the words interchangeably. This is another possible merge target, for instance as Category:Minhagim and nusachim, which may itself be a subcategory of Category:Jewish ethnic groups. Place Clichy (talk) 15:09, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - @User:Place Clichy, Thanks for the ping. Minhagim and ethnicity are not the same thing. There are African-Americans Jews and Romani Jews (Gypsy Jews), but as far as I know there is no African-American minhag or Romani minhag. Some can also be of a particular minhag Ashkenazi/Sephardi/etc without being of that ethnicity. When a Jewish woman marries a Jewish man, she adopts his minhag. I know many Ashkenazi women who married Sephardi men and became Sephardi by minhag, and vice versa. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:17, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • At least purge, perhaps delete, this is messy, the three subcategories do not belong here but belong in an ethnic category, while the three articles should not be moved to an ethnic category as proposed. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:37, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obvious keep There are already four valid entries in this category: the central article Minhag and three articles about specific minhagim: Minhag America, Palestinian minhag and Minhag Morocco, and many more can be created.
I agree with the previous editors that Ashkenazi Jews topics, Romaniote Jews topics and Sephardi Jews topics don't really belong here, but that is no reason to delete a perfectly valid category.
I agree that the three articles about specific minhagim should also be in an ethnic category. It is however completely natural that an article about "Minhag Morocco" is both in an ethnic category for "Moroccan Judaism" e.g. and in the minhagim category. Much like an article about Asimov would have to be in a "writers" category and an "Americans" category (if there were no "American writers" category).
I'd like to ask User:Marcocapelle to reconsider his opinion in light of the above argument. Debresser (talk) 15:51, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then I will remove the subcategories. Clarification of my earlier comment: I do not agree with merging to Category:Jewish ethnic groups as nominated, but each article may well be in a more specific ethnic category. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:47, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to thank everyone is this discussion for their thoughtful and balanced comments. Having considered the issue, I agree with the removal of the Ashkenazi/Sephardi/etc "topics" sub-categories. I would agree with keeping the category and having it strictly for the articles about minhagim (Palestinian, Moroccan, and so forth). Sometime in future, I'm planning to populate the category with articles about other minhagim, such as the Polish and German and Dutch minhagim. @User:Debresser, if you had any interest in working on further articles on minhagim, that would be more than welcome. Best to all. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:26, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that once the overall categories for Ashkhenazi/Sephardi/Romaniote topics have been removed, the biggest problem with these categories is solved. Evidently, an dedicated article or subcategory can be both in this category and in the specific culture category, e.g. Sephardic law and customs or Nusach Ashkenaz. However there still seems to be a large overlap with Category:Nusachs, with much content in common: Sephardic law and customs and Palestinian minhag are in both categories, and article Nusach Ashkenaz uses 'Minhag' all along. Do you think a merger into Category:Minhagim and nusachim would be appropriate? Place Clichy (talk) 14:43, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A nusach is part of a minhag. A minhag is comprised of such things as specific customs, wearing certain clothing, a certain way in deciding questions of Jewish law, and an important part is the nusach of that minhag. Therefore, I think that putting "Minhagim and nusachim" on a par would be incorrect. Debresser (talk) 21:59, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If articles use minhag and nusach incorrectly, we should fix that. By the way, the Palestinian minhag article is almost completely about the Palestinian nusach, with as good as nothing about all the other things that together make a minhag. Debresser (talk) 22:02, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Should Category:Nusachs then be a subcategory of Category:Minhagim? Place Clichy (talk) 01:49, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Also not. Just like "provinces" should not be part of "countries", even though a provinces make up a country. Debresser (talk) 18:22, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fine, I am satisfied with the outcome of the discussion and withdraw the nomination. I'm still placing horizontal see also links to both categories for clarity. Place Clichy (talk) 20:18, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Withdrawn as nominator, as the problematic subcategories have been removed. Place Clichy (talk) 20:18, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Seekers (Transformers)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to parents. MER-C 10:17, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Minor category with no navigational benefit or room for growth, covered in parent categories already. TTN (talk) 11:19, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 09:26, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Online catalogues[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:35, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Undefined. Contains articles which dont have much in common, and I think they should be dispersed into more appropriate categories. Rathfelder (talk) 10:36, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. No need to merge, the three articles are already in the parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:16, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom's well-cited rationale and @Marcocapelle:'s added comment. I would also support this being deleted as per speedy delete criteria, if nom wants.--Doug Mehus (talk) 22:30, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Internet companies of Malaysia[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 10:44, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only content is Category:Internet service providers of Malaysia. I've moved other articles to Online companies of Malaysia‎ Rathfelder (talk) 22:15, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Internet companies of Israel[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 10:45, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only content is Category:Internet service providers of Israel, which is already in appropriate category trees. Rathfelder (talk) 16:22, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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A company like Zap should be in this category, but in absence of an article about this and similar companies, I agree with the deletion proposal. I would add a note that the deletion reason is WP:SMALLCAT and that the deletion is therefore without prejudice as to recreation should more articles be written in the future. Debresser (talk) 16:31, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Soca and calypso radio stations[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Reasonable request with no opposition for over a month. No predjudice against further rename discussions. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 22:16, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Widen category as would extend usage and reggae/soca/calypso tend to go together on such radio Altlondon (talk) 20:43, 28 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Indifferent. Nom's rationale is sound, so my support is to support the consensus at closure. --Doug Mehus (talk) 22:31, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Buddhist philosophers[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 10:02, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Too vague and broad: it just doesn't seem to define anything. In Buddhism, there is no clear distinction between philosophy and religion. Perhaps a more specific category can be found. Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 19:39, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge is a good solution. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:21, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Regardless of the outcome, I am willing to help purging the category from articles that don't belong.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 20:17, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Merge per Marcocapelle. 'Philosopher' as a distinct category of writer or scholar doesn't seem well defined for the tradition. --Spasemunki (talk) 23:32, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:National Lacrosse League Champion's Cup championship seasons[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 09:36, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Avoid repetition of "champion". The article National Lacrosse League Cup refers to "winning seasons" rather than "championship seasons" or "champion seasons". – Fayenatic London 16:41, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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OKC Energy U23 players/Oklahoma City Energy U23 players[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I will list this on the manual page to verify the recategorization. MER-C 14:06, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting:
Nominator's rationale: There is no article about 'OKC Energy U23' (it's a redirect to the main team) or 'Oklahoma City Energy U23' team, and there should be no category as it is non-defining. We do not categorise soccer players by having separate categories for the youth team - add them to Category:Oklahoma City Energy FC players and then delete these duplicate categories. GiantSnowman 09:40, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 09:43, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and only add players to category if they have played for the first team. Jay eyem (talk) 23:36, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Jay eyem: that is not in-line with WP:FOOTBALL consensus, which says youth players for the club are included in the category. GiantSnowman 09:30, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Meridian Secondary School[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:34, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: As per WP:SMALLCAT, category likely not going to have more than 1 page which it currently holds and has very little potential to grow. Category indicates two other schools which are currently redirected back to Meirdian Seconday School. Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 05:07, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Note that the category has been emptied. The article and two redirects are also mentioned in the header though. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:19, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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