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November 1[edit]

Category:Films originally rejected by the censors in Britain[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Films originally rejected by the British Board of Film Classification. MER-C 09:57, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: More specific name. Trivialist (talk) 23:31, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, but expand the acronym; per MOS:ABBR and WP:PRECISE (though at the cost of some WP:CONCISE, I would rather see the full name of the organization, since the acronym is meaningless to almost everyone outside the UK. I agree with nom that the current title is vague. It's kind of amateurish. Reminds of when people blame "the government".  :-)  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  08:16, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Category:Films originally rejected by the British Board of Film Classification. No acronyms in categories, as they are too ambiguous. Dimadick (talk) 08:20, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is essentially a category for films banned in X country, but worded differently. A previous discussion was delete. Films are banned/censored in many different countries, and this would create category-clutter if applied to each and every country. Also, this seems to be WP:NONDEF to most, it not all, of the articles currently in the category. Several I've looked at (The Wandering Jew, La Grande Bouffe, Minnie the Moocher, etc), don't even mention the BBFC, let alone refer to it in the article's lead. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 10:37, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Lugnuts and WP:CATDEF. Betty Logan (talk) 20:07, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename as suggested by Dimadick. Oppose deletion. Yes, some members fail WP:CATDEF/WP:CATVER, but for others, being banned in Britain seems to be a significant aspect of their history, and is supported by RS: The Texas Chain Saw Massacre § Release, Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom § Censorship, The Wild One § Reception. There's something to Lugnuts' concern of category clutter if we categorized widely-banned films according to every country in which they were banned, but use of these categories should always be limited according to WP:CATDEF, as determined by reliable sources. It would be surprising if a film were commonly and consistently described by secondary RS as being banned in Britain, and as banned in Russia, and as banned in Liechtenstein, and etc. If there does end up being consensus against keeping this cat, I think it should at least be selectively upmerged to Category:Censored films, though I prefer the specificity of having country-specific subcats where appropriate. Being banned in Britain and being banned in the UAE have very different significations. Colin M (talk) 21:40, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per Dimadick. The nom is right in principle, but the use of abbreviations in category names is discouraged (with some exceptions, e.g. MPs. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:15, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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University of California, Los Angeles xxxx[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: do not rename. MER-C 17:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming:


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Category:Robotic pterosaurs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:47, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There is only one page in the entire category, and even that is a redirect. This category is needless. Delete this. JIP | Talk 12:16, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:31, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, no merge is needed as the redirect is rightly in one parent and its target page is rightly in the other. – Fayenatic London 20:48, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Al-Nahda[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 11:51, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Procedural nomination, opposed at Speedy page as pasted in box below. The move appears justfied by Wikipedia:Naming conventions (definite or indefinite article at beginning of name). @Recruos: please comment. – Fayenatic London 10:27, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Superhero "film characters"[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:48, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These characters are not from superhero films or film series. Wikipedia does not categorize comic book characters by having appeared in adaptations. It's a non-defining feature of all these characters.★Trekker (talk) 10:24, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Imdadkhani gharana[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 9#Category:Imdadkhani gharana

Category:Fictional characters with psychopathy personality disorder[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:49, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "Psychopathy personality disorder" is not a thing that exists, it is not an existing disorder and the words "Psychopathy" and "Sociopathy" are not even used in psycology and never really has. There's also the issue that this category is just filled up with articles of "super eviiiiiil" characters, not characters that have actually been diagnosed with a disorder. It's completly non-defining. ★Trekker (talk) 09:55, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Addition These issues concerns its parent category Category:Psychopathy in fiction and sibling categories Category:Films about psychopaths‎ and Category:Novels about sociopathy‎ to come extent as well.★Trekker (talk) 10:03, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, I checked a number of articles and it seems this is a matter of WP:OR. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:55, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support No real disorders with these names. Dimadick (talk) 14:38, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wydad AC footballers[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 10#Category:Wydad AC footballers

Category:Naskapi communities in Quebec[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 11:53, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, follow-up on this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:02, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Support these dual upmerges, per nom. By why do two of the targets have inconsistent names? We know that "First Nations" is the preferred term in Canada, so "Indian reserves in Quebec" should probably be speedily CfRed.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  08:09, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Social discovery websites[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 11:51, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These sites dont seem sufficiently different from all the others to merit a separate category. Social discovery shades off into dating, marketing, hospitality etc, Rathfelder (talk) 07:48, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle but manually disperse. Much of the content of this category seems to belong in Category:Online dating applications. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:29, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Now I've taken the dating sites out there are 6 articles left, but they dont have much in common. Rathfelder (talk) 21:56, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is reasonable to upmerge the category with its remaining content. Only two of them are explicit social discovery websites. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:56, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Upmerge per nom and Marcocapelle. This appears to have been misleading and verging on OR. (Categorization by personal misunderstanding of a website's operation and audience? I dunno.) — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  08:07, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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New Zealand association football clubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:50, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting the following categories, all of which simply contain a player category and one key article. None of them are likely to expand beyond that level. The player categories can stay, but the club articles are unnecessary. Grutness...wha? 02:50, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 08:31, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support withdrawn, but not voting keep either. In general it may be useful to have something in place for managers and players subcategories that is similar to Template:Songs category and Template:Albums category, so that the two usual subcategories and the main article directly link to each other, without the need of a parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:13, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - all 4 categories have now been expanded with additional articles and sub-categories. Nomination rationale no longer stands. @Marcocapelle: might wish to reconsider. GiantSnowman 08:36, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • They're still too small - two articles (one, in one case) plus a file isn't really enough to sustain these categories. Grutness...wha? 10:30, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • Remember when you said "None of them are likely to expand beyond that level" and I added more articles, categories amd images? It's absolutely standrad to have a 'parent' categpry for a football club, see eg Category:Football clubs in England by county and related. GiantSnowman 10:11, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        • If you can expand them to more than a couple of articles and a category, then fine. I checked the A-D section of the category tree you pointed out; of the 114 club categories in that selection, only five are of the same sort of level as the categories I've nominated, and only one (Category:Darlington 1883) is smaller than Category:Wellington Olympic AFC. In the case of Category:Wanderers Special Club we're talking about a defunct Under-20s development team which only existed for five years. I have no objection to football club categories if there's a point, but when they're that sort of size there really isn't. The file and stadium article (where there is one) are already lined in the key article, and the players category can easily be linked that way too. Where there is also a viable managers category, that's fine (and I've withdrawn those to nominations), but the remaining categories are still irredeemably small. Grutness...wha? 03:36, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete per nom (including nom's later rebuttals of opposition, above). This is basically a WP:CONLEVEL matter. While the wikiproject might like to create pointless near-empty categories for every team in existence, the site-wide consensus against doing things like this trumps the one-topic in-crowd preference.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  08:05, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedians contributing under Dual License[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge or rename. MER-C 11:52, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: According to the Terms of Use, all edits are automatically dual-licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0 and GFDL. While editors do have the option of further multi-licensing their edits, it should go without saying (and, therefore, it is unnecessary to specify) that these multi-licensed contributions are also (dual-)licensed according to the Terms of Use. Honestly, I struggle to see the utility of this entire category scheme; however, for now I am just proposing to clean up these unnecessary splits. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:15, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Support per nom. This will also incidentally get rid of the Weird Over-Capitalization, too.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  07:59, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Tango in Argentina[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: split. MER-C 11:54, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category is not about tango in Argentina. It is about the specific style of music and dance universally known as "Argentine tango". Someone may be surprised, but Ballroom tango is danced in Argentina as well, they even hold international ballroom competitions. Staszek Lem (talk) 19:56, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:306 Records albums[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:49, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Parent article 306 Records deleted. Almost all of these are redirects, and even the ones that aren't are only barely notable at best. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 16:57, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sierra Pelona Mountains[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 11:52, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: proposed category renaming to follow its main article which was renamed to Sierra Pelona Ridge, the name it should have originally used as supported by its USGS GNIS source: U.S. Geological Survey Geographic Names Information System: Sierra Pelona Ridge. Ikluft (talk) 04:36, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support rename -- USGS GNIS source, standard name for this terrain feature. Antandrus (talk) 03:01, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per both of the above.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  08:18, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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