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Category:Cinnamates

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 15:18, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: All of the members of the category are of esters. If pages for salts of cinnamic acid are later created, a separate category can be created for them. Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 22:35, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Category:Statistics disambiguation pages

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 August 9#Category:Category:Statistics disambiguation pages

Category:Steely Dan members

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 August 9#Category:Steely Dan members

Category:Fiction set in Armorica

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 09:41, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, not enough content to merit a separate category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 10:25, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 10:12, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Until I clicked on the category, I didn't even realize there'd be anything other than Asterix. Which, while delightful, doesn't really justify a category for itself and one novel (though there could be a category for Asterix comics, characters, or other topics if they warrant and possess separate articles, which I imagine they probably could). P Aculeius (talk) 01:15, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Dutch awards

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 August 25#Dutch awards

Imperial German awards

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 August 25#Imperial German awards

Spanish awards

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge or delete as specified. MER-C 10:14, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, four of these categories only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory of recipients. The fifth category one only contains the eponymous article and one recipient (as a single article it should not be merged to the orders parent category). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 09:51, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the International Women of Courage Award

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:43, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCAWARD and WP:NONDEF, the award is not as significant as e.g. the Nobel prize and the biography articles usually mention the prize merely in passing. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 09:50, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Serer royal houses

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 09:41, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 4 articles, 3 in Category:Joof dynasty which is a subcategory of Serer royalty. Unclear what distinction is made. Rathfelder (talk) 12:06, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 09:07, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 09:47, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Former sports world record holders

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Sports world record setters
– Fayenatic London 13:37, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: And upmerge all of the subcategories to the same equivalent minus "Former" at the beginning. We don't categorize by current status: George Washington is in Category:Presidents of the United States. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:34, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I'm going to oppose this not that it isn't a good idea, or even an original idea. We tried it before. We understand: Once a record holder, that individual is always a record holder. It is a permanently affixed status of history. Unfortunately, other people cannot follow that logic, so every time a record changes hands (I posted two records changing hands today--I deal with this stuff), every time some IP is cruising by, they will say that person is no longer the current record holder and the category will get removed. WP:RECENTISM is still a common affliction. This will turn into a policing nightmare. Hundreds of thousands of articles potentially will need to be monitored and constantly fixed. In many cases it is the individual's primary claim to notability and the entire notability of the individual might get challenged. Unfortunately the way AfDs work, idiots will gang up and will successfully delete such articles if someone isn't watching and fighting. And sometimes even that doesn't work, such is the tide of the echo chamber of deletionists. I've even been in skirmishes with the ever-present NOM, our highest volume editor, when he has been on the wrong side of an AfD, simply due to inattentiveness in his haste. It is a horrible slippery slope we are opening ourselves up to unless you can guarantee that once placed, the category is not removable. Trackinfo (talk) 07:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Trackinfo, Another option is to listify all and include relevant see alsos. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:19, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
While I support a list for this subject, that does not substitute for the category. Do not delete the category. Both of these are aids to navigation. We do not know which form of navigation a random user will choose to follow. Our job is just to make the information available to them, to guide them to the information they seek. Additionally, lists do not cross reference back to the article nearly as easily. The list wikilink needs to be manually added as a "see also" requiring again, possibly thousands of edits and a lot of reading. Some of these articles are huge, while a lot are stubs with the singular claim to notability. Trackinfo (talk) 05:30, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just a related example of editor (and this is an IP) stupidity. Because of today's world record in the 400 hurdles, this historical article mentioning the record at the time of a race two years earlier, got changed. This is the crap we have to chase because some people just don't understand the information wikipedia presents. Trackinfo (talk) 06:40, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would support SFB's proposal. But I still have cynicism of the intelligence of the casual wikipedia user. While I think the words are clear, I just don't think some IP editors will be able to read. We will probably still be in constant defense of edits to remove the category. But this is the best statement to make the concept clear. I'll also ping @Montell 74: our records specialist. Trackinfo (talk) 19:31, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That is a pretty sensible approach. I don't like the idea that because something is hard we shouldn't try but this would capture current and former holders of a record. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:19, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support SFB's suggestion as modified to "setters." I still have low expectations for the general public to understand the nuance, but the more accurate our phrasing, the better chance we might have. I am also in agreement with SFB and others that we need to maintain the "current" record holder as a separate category because it will be more relevant to some user's searches (as opposed to having to sort through a long list including record holders from the 1920's, 1930's etc.). Trackinfo (talk) 03:25, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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