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Category:Orthodox Knights of the Holy Sepulchre[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: convert to list and delete. The list is initially at Greek_Orthodox_Church_of_Jerusalem#Orthodox_Knights_of_the_Holy_Sepulchre. – Fayenatic London 12:29, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Internet searches indicate "Byzantine Order of the Holy Sepulchre" as the most common (and seemingly acceptable) name for the entity, perhaps in good competition with "Greek Orthodox Order of the Holy Sepulchre". At least any of the two would be more accurate than the previous one. Furthermore, not all invested members seem to apply the title "Knight". There are also various other titles among clergy (even non-Greek Orthodox), see for instance Pierbattista Pizzaballa. On a furtner note, a main article is missing. Chicbyaccident (talk) 20:41, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:OCAWARD and WP:NONDEF, the category contains modern politicians rather than members of a religious order. An article wíll probably be useful though. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Listify then delete -- This looks like a NN award. I will let others work out what the appropriate name for the list would be. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:59, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Advocates of the Fourteen Words[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete as over-categorisation on the grounds given below. I note that the main article already has a list of advocates, and that the member pages of this category are all otherwise categorised as alt-right etc. – Fayenatic London 13:42, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: It's either a BLP violation, or glorifying white nationalism. It's certainly not a "defining characteristic" as I understand the term. Calton | Talk 09:51, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Calton, glorifying? Would you like to retract that? Are you claiming that that was the intention of creating that category? Has anything but valid or good faith attempted cites of RS been made? Would listing a murderer as a murderer be glorifying murder? Perspex03 (talk) 13:05, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
glorifying? Would you like to retract that?
Let me think about that.
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Nope. I can put into bolder type if you like, so it's easier for you to read. --Calton | Talk 13:27, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Calton, I see you've done well weaselling out of answering the questions which might require some intellectual justification. Perhaps you were a weasel in past life? Have a fantastic day. Perspex03 (talk) 13:39, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, per RevelationDirect and per WP:OPINIONCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:15, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete no useful article navigation purpose served by this category Hmains (talk) 01:49, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:48, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - the articles included in this category are individuals who have explicitly endorsed and/or published versions of the Fourteen Words. It's a defining characteristic (and not an overlapping category) because there's rarely perfect agreement in ideology between them: some are categorized as white nationalists, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, far-right whatever, etcetera, but the various members of this category don't fit neatly under the tree of any of those other categories. There are a few persons in the category who should not be included, but we can fix that. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:12, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:New areas at state level[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:New areas (China). – Fayenatic London 13:47, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per main article New areas. Possibly add a disambiguator to the category name like Category:New areas (China). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:S.H.E members[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 10:21, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:SMALLCAT, only 3 members and impossible to contain more. Each member is already in Category:S.H.E. Timmyshin (talk) 05:13, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:2020 AFC U-23 Championship[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic London 09:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one item Hhkohh (talk) 13:30, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with a category on the championship series or with Asian Football Confederation. The creation of the article is perhaps not premature, but that of the category certainly is. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:06, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep - I added a second article and eventually there will be more. I've no big objection to merging to Category:AFC U-23 Championship as the category truly is premature, but I also see little harm in retaining it for the next 1.5 years. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:05, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯxplicit 00:58, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Assassination attempts[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename per nomination. There is consensus that it needs to be changed somehow. Making "attempts" the parent of successful assassinations would be counter-intuitive to some readers, and would be contrary to the current hierarchy of Failed crimes as a sub-cat of Crimes, etc. – Fayenatic London 22:47, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category's page says that te attempt failed, but an "attempt" includes successful assassinations, too. The new name will thus provide clarity as to the scope of the category.  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  08:15, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯxplicit 00:58, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lean Toward Marcocapelle's solution but no objection to other approaches. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:43, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Cooperative banking by country[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename and merge as nominated. There is more work to be done within this category tree; additional steps should be made with a new nomination. ℯxplicit 00:23, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: these categories have hardly any general content about the topic of cooperative banking, but only articles on banks. The sub-cat Category:Credit unions by country is well-populated, and Category:Mutual savings banks by country has three sub-cats, but those national sub-categories do not need a "Cooperative banking in Foo" layer above them. Some other countries already have categories "Cooperative banks in Foo" and there was a Speedy-page proposal to rename them to "banking", but this was opposed on the grounds that these categories work well as sub-cats of "Banks in Foo". It will be more useful to do away with those that are a redundant layer, and rename others from "banking" to "banks". As for the two articles that I have suggested for removal, I have added "See also" links to these on the sub-category pages. – Fayenatic London 09:31, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • That seems a very sensible proposal. Rathfelder (talk) 17:39, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Prefer targets relating to whether they are "mutual savings banks" or "credit unions". Note UK building societies are mutual, but not coops. They are not the same. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:45, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The mutual savings banks and credit unions categories will be kept as child categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:43, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯxplicit 06:08, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯxplicit 00:58, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's probably clearer for everyone if we finish the nominated change (renaming "banking" to "banks") first and then start a fresh discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, but I think we need to go further: there is a grand-parent Category:Collaborative finance which includes cooperative and mutual banks as well as crowdfunding, peer-to-peer and ROSCA. This should be a valid level to split by continent. Then we would go up some further levels and split Category:Social economy on a per-country level. By pushing the low-level intersections sufficiently up the category tree, we would avoid too narrow and too isolated intersections, effectively sanitizing the sub-tree to become properly filled and developed. --PanchoS (talk) 07:23, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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