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Category:Cultural regions of Mexico

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 September 6#Category:Cultural regions of Mexico. ℯxplicit 00:16, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_July_3#Category:Regions_of_Mexico —swpbT 18:23, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Swpb: How do you mean referring to this previous discussion? The regions in Category:Cultural regions of Mexico are completely different from the regions discussed in that earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:17, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. There are a large number of distinct areas in Mexico. Without any official designations for being distinct enough to fit into this category?RevelationDirect (talk) 02:06, 26 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to the deleted Category:Regions of Mexico – The problem with this AfD is that obvious regions like Northern Mexico will after deletion of Category:Cultural regions of Mexico (to which I have no other objection) immediately fall under the geography of Mexico without a regions category. A geography is not necessarily a region but can also be a spatial distribution, dynamic, sub-domain, etc. It often is something else than a region. Hence if this AfD is successful we are erasing a necessary link. Other countries have a region category that would contain the non-administrative regions of a country plus the administrative regions as a category under it. This organization allows for a value free judgement, independent of the question whether such regions are cultural, physical, economic, or a combination of labels. Such nuanced distinctions are more appropriate for the articles on the regions. Administrative is objective. A region has been designated as such or not. The only question that remains for plain regions is whether, for example, a valley is large enough to be considered a region. That is a value judgement yet the community can agree on a precise mathematical value for resolution. gidonb (talk) 12:18, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
For reference, the earlier CFD of Category:Regions of Mexico is located here:Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 July 3#Category:Regions of Mexico. I'm neutral on Gidonb's rename alternative. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:26, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Airlines which do not serve alcoholic beverages on flights

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The result of the discussion was: Delete, including redirect. Timrollpickering 10:08, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Hardly a noteworthy or defining element to use as a category, they probably dont serve lots of other things as well like cocaine or ham sandwiches or be to small as to not serve anything on a flight. MilborneOne (talk) 17:52, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Still delete for me. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:15, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Still delete for me also....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 09:55, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Television series by century

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The result of the discussion was: delete. ℯxplicit 00:16, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There's no need for a by century categorization scheme for television. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:45, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People targeted by the Anti-Defamation League

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete per BLP mixed in with a heavy dose of SNOW. BencherliteTalk 23:08, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Obvious POV. Doug Weller talk 16:44, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The second one I checked, Baked Alaska (entertainer), has no mention of the ADL. Doug Weller talk 16:46, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the category is based on this article from the ADL official website called "From Alt Right to Alt Lite: Naming the Hate" where they profile various individuals included in the category. Don't see what is supposed to be POV? The ADL is a notable organisation. Claíomh Solais (talk)
We don't create categories like this, and even if we did, we'd have to do it in a much more explanatory way than "targeted." Category:People described by the Anti-Defamation League as anti-Semitic, or something — but we don't do that, because it's inappropriate to categorize people based on negative descriptions by a third-party interest group. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 16:54, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well we have List of organizations designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center as hate groups for something similar already on Wikipedia. With the possible exception of PETA (which may be a valid category if the campaign is notable), your example isn't very good because General Motors do not claim to be a political watchdog or an activist organisation, they sell cars. Claíomh Solais (talk) 16:54, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a category, it's a list — they're fundamentally different things. Moreover, the reason we have that article is that the SPLC's designation of groups as hate groups is widely discussed, praised, criticized, etc. in reliable sources, and thus is notable (hence the huge number of sources in that article). If you wanted to create an article titled List of people designated by the Anti-Defamation League as anti-Semitic, that would be a separate issue; I'm not sure it would pass muster (does the ADL directly do that? I'm not sure) but it would be a fundamentally different question than a category. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 16:58, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The word "targeted" is a clear non-NPOV violation. Where's the reliable sources that state that any of these people were "targeted"? Without such sources, this category should be deleted. Rockypedia (talk) 17:01, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"[target (transitive) To aim something, especially a weapon, at (a target).]"
The ADL is opposed to these individuals and thus has targeted them by aiming public criticism at them on a public platform, profiling each individual on a hate list on their campaigning website. How is the word "targeting" in any way non-NPOV or objectionable? They self-evidently didn't create the list to support them. On the COINTELPRO article we speak of "targets" so the parlance appears to be in common use. Claíomh Solais (talk) 17:09, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Targeted" doesn't explain anything, much less the reason for the criticism. To be neutral, such a category might be called "People described by the Anti-Defamation League as anti-Semitic" or "racist" or whatever. But we don't create categories for that, because it's not a defining characteristic of a person. Also see WP:BLPCAT, particularly Caution should be used with content categories that suggest a person has a poor reputation (see false light). Putting someone in a category that says someone thinks they're an anti-Semite certainly suggests they have a poor reputation, and we shouldn't be doing that without good reason. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 17:13, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete immediately and without reservation. This category has been created solely for the purpose of adding PoV slants (falsely implying that the ADL has the characteristic of a belligerent) to articles like the one to which it has just been added (and promptly reverted), namely Richard B. Spencer. Having this category on the encyclopedia is basically a way of condoning the adding of weasel words to articles. Edaham (talk) 17:27, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete 'Targeted by' is very poor phrasing to use. PeterTheFourth (talk) 19:29, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Leftist states

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The result of the discussion was: delete. The category has already been emptied. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:33, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I can't see any use for this. It's not just "leftist states", with no criteria, it's "g Leftist States, Proto-states, and movements current and throughout history." Already it has entries which aren't states. And who says France is leftist? Or Kurdistan? Doug Weller talk 15:07, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Totally meaningless category; if the United States, France, China and Angola are all "leftist states," the word is being stretched so far beyond any sense of meaning as to be wholly without purpose. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 17:02, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dnipropetrovsk

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The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 00:16, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: According to the main article (Dnipro). The subcategories and subsubcategories also.--Unikalinho (talk) 08:38, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Masada

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The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure). I suppose there is no procedural objection if a discussion is closed by the nominator in case like this with a clear keep consensus. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:46, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content, the articles in this category are about the siege, i.e. about a historic event, not about geography. If the category is renamed, geographic parent categories (e.g. museums, parks) should be moved from the category page to the article Masada. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - the rename won't change much, except narrowing the scope of the category; currently also Masada National Park can belong to it and of course Yigal Yadin and Pillage of Ein Gedi.GreyShark (dibra) 14:22, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep -- Merging a category to an article does not work. The only purpose in splitting the seige from the rest would be if there was a great deal of content, but I doubt there ever will be here. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:42, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep -- The siege, previous, and subsequent events were in the same location (Masada) so from a taxonomy perspective the rename is not an improvement. The Siege of Masada can be a subcategory of Masada (and some historical events), however, like my colleagues above, I do not see the justification right now. The Masada category is working just fine. Thanks Marcocapelle, for initiating an interesting discussion on time and space dimensions. gidonb (talk) 02:20, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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