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August 30

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Category:Fictional sponges

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional invertebrates. xplicit 01:43, 7 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A category with only one member and no serious prospect of acquiring more members is pointless. DanielRigal (talk) 20:33, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Utah State Senate Districts

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The result of the discussion was: rename. xplicit 01:43, 7 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No reason for "districts" to be capitalized. This would bring the category into conformity with the district articles and would also be consistent with other U.S. legislative districts such as Category:United States congressional districts. —GoldRingChip 11:49, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Battles and military actions involving Hampshire

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The result of the discussion was: merge. xplicit 01:43, 7 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge, we do not have a tree Category:Battles in England by county and it is unlikely that we need such a tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:06, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Diols

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The result of the discussion was: keep. xplicit 01:43, 7 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non defining OrganoMetallurgy (talk) 03:21, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Film sound technologies

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. xplicit 01:43, 7 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Categories contain many entries which fail WP:CATV. Tech doesn't seem to meet WP:DEFCAT. A list would better call attention to the films that used it in a notable manner. DonIago (talk) 20:38, 29 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine either way on that one. Thanks! DonIago (talk) 02:38, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Changing my response to Delete for the cats (though still in support of the option to create lists if they are viable to exist). - Favre1fan93 (talk) 06:02, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Betty Logan:, are you voting for a true delete then, or would you prefer listification (and doubtless subsequent clean-up) of the existing material? Thanks for clarifying! DonIago (talk) 13:47, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I am voting to delete the categories. Either they meet the criteria for retention or they do not (and I think they do not), and their deletion is not contingent on a list being created. It looks like there would be quite a bit of work involved in creating a list (which may or may not meet WP:LISTN) so I don't think the outcome here should obligate the nominator or the deleter to that kind of undertaking. Betty Logan (talk) 14:10, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete both I just can't see these as a "defining characteristic" of the films. While people will pay extra to see a film in 3D or IMAX I don't even see adverts for theaters showing the films in either of these techs. If someone does want to put in the time to create list articles it might be a good idea to start a thread at the filmproject to see whether the info might have WP:INDISCRIMINATE issues. I went through both cats and found that they were unsourced in the bulk of the articles where they had been placed so those have been removed. MarnetteD|Talk 21:29, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:1859 Russian novels

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. xplicit 01:43, 7 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: /Upmerge We don't have any scheme of Category:Novels by year and country. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 00:06, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at it further, US and British novels have "{[Year] British [American] novels" as sub-cats of "19th-century British (American) novels". Although this hasn't been done with Russian novels by year it could easily be.Eustachiusz (talk) 01:35, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Of the 11 novels in 1859 that we have cats for 5 are Russian. It seems like a reasonable idea to sort that into a sub cat. UK and the US only have 2 or 3 for that year.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 01:17, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge to all parents. Category:19th-century Russian novels is not over-populated. Alternatively repurpose to Category:1850s Russian novels. This might have enough to be kept, but annual categories that cannot be well-populated are a menace. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:48, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge to all parents. Category:1859 novels has about 10 members and does not benefit from splitting. Oculi (talk) 18:56, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. It is a new category and the idea is good with growth potential, which includes expansion of the idea to other countries besides England, Russia and USA. At present, 1859 is the only one for Russia in the 19th century but it is the first brick in the wall. I see no good reason for deletion and I think this is a poorly considered nomination. To say "We don't have any scheme of x" is illogical. There was a time when there were no categories at all. How does any category scheme begin? 1859, Russian and novel are all defining characteristics of the five books in the category. CravinChillies 19:55, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge or rename to decade level. There are currently just over a hundred articles about 19th-century Russian books, that is on average 1 per year. No objection against (re)creating year categories when we have some 500 Russian books for this century. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:09, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. We do have a scheme of novels being subcategorized by nationality-and-year — it already exists quite comprehensively for the US and the UK, comprehensively from 1950 on and patchworky before that in Canada, and comprehensively for just the 21st century so far in Australia. The fact that the scheme doesn't have a Category:Novels by year and country parent yet doesn't mean that such categories don't exist; it just means the fleshing out of the tree hasn't been finished yet. But unless there's a consensus to get rid of Category:1859 American novels and Category:1859 British novels, as well as the entire body of sibling categories that already exist for other years and/or other countries, there's no good reason to single this one out as uniquely inappropriate — I'd be perfectly willing to hear and consider arguments to the effect that we don't need the scheme at all and should upmerge all such categories back to the appropriate parents, but not just this one to the exclusion of all the others. Bearcat (talk) 15:25, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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