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Category:Raine's School

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 15:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete seems to be a hoax ... -- ProveIt (talk) 00:01, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:IPod

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 15:01, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:IPods. -- ProveIt (talk) 23:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Jim Carrey films

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The result of the debate was speedy delete G4. Sango123 17:55, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_April_3#Category:Jim_Carrey_films. -- ProveIt (talk) 23:44, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cancelled albums

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 15:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cancelled albums into Category:Unreleased albums

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Category:"100 Greatest Cartoons"

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 15:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:"100 Greatest Cartoons" (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Wikipedians by birth

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated except for Users born in Czechoslovakia (no consensus) --Kbdank71 14:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mostly fine set of categories, with a couple hiccups:

I left category:Happy Birthday! alone because it's harmless, elegantly named, and probably contains some very sophisticated architecture I don't want to disrupt. The Czech one seems odd, but there are no other parallel categories and the user in question is Slovak, not Czech. And before judging the "non-stereotypical" one, I encourage folks to check out how big it is.--Mike Selinker 18:57, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Dark ambient

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The result of the debate was found deleted --Kbdank71 14:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dark ambient (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Fort Worthians

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:People from Fort Worth (and in line with previous similar cfds I will leave a cat redirect). --RobertG ♬ talk 09:50, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fort Worthians to Category:People from Fort Worth, Texas

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Wikipedians by politics

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two main formats here: “X Wikipedians” for parties and basic ideologies, and “Wikipedians who support/oppose X” for things and concepts. This is potentially contentious, so please assume good faith.--Mike Selinker 17:56, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Sexy Wikipedians

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_August_16#Category:Sex_Symbols. -- ProveIt (talk) 17:16, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • How exactly does adding a userbox make the category worse? I wasn't aware that the userbox had been deleted twice already, and I have no idea what the deleted content was. You cannot say that the deleted userbox was not an improvement on the category. Crisonastick 23:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Accounting

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This +cat existed before and was replaced by Category:Accountancy. It should be deleted quickly before anymore +tags get attached and a major clean up needed. What123 16:31, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Category:Accountancy is not a good description of the field, since it refers to a job title. Category:Accounting is needed to describe a lot of issues in economics. It seems to me that two separate categories are justified, but if there is only to be one it should be called Category:Accounting. Also, I think it was unreasonably pre-emptive to delete tags without discussion JQ 12:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge - The article name is also Accountancy (Accounting is a redirect). These are essentially two names for the same thing. --Cswrye 14:30, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment There is an important distinction between the field of accounting (a subdiscipline of economics) and the profession of accountancy. There are many university departments of accounting but none AFAIK of accountancy. More important maybe is the area of National Accounts, which are very important - it would be just silly to list them under Accountancy.JQ 20:00, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - There is nothing to merge, this is a category. All the entries are in Category:Accountancy, which use to be called Category:Accounting and it was voted on and renamed Category:Accountancy as this is the name of the main article Accountancy. What123 18:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not two I think there are two issues to consider here. One is if we need two categories, Accounting and Accountancy. Currently, I don't see a reason to have two. The reason offered above, viz. that university departments are named "accounting", seems to speak in favor of a name change not creation of two different categories. As to whether the name should be Accounting or Accountancy, I don't have a strong opinion. --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 20:33, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - it was Category:Accounting and then there was a vote to rename it Category:Accountancy it would be insane to keep changing the name back and forth. What123 23:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Second time is the charm? If the change was made in error, it should be changed back. Obviously we can't keep debating the same thing over and over, but two debates does not seem extreme to me. --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 23:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cricket grounds in the United Kingdom

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 14:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

speedy delete - category has been empty for several days and is both redundant and superfluous given that correct categories for grounds in England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland already exist. -- BlackJack | talk page 16:19, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Eleanor Powell films

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as recreation of Category:Films by actor. -- ProveIt (talk) 15:59, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Samuel L. Jackson Films

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete since Category:Films by actor killed April 11, 2006. -- ProveIt (talk) 15:54, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good question, here is the answer: The point of a category is to browse to other articles related to a topic that would otherwise be difficult to find. In the case of films by actor categories, this information can be found in the article. Virtually every article about actors has a filmography. If it doesn't it should have one. Imagine that every film gets fully categorized into every actor's subcategory. Films with large casts will have scores of categories that add virtually nothing useful. The articles about the films have the cast listed, and the articles about the actors have the films listed. Making these categories is a wasted effort. We end up with clutter that has little or no added usefulness. -- Samuel Wantman
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Category:Planetshakers Albums

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Nature's Best

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 14:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Nature's Best (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Solid Steel

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Solid Steel into Category:Ninja Tune albums

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Category:British Islamist terrorists

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 14:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:British Islamist terrorists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  • Your example is actually quite different than the nominated cat. RC priests are a subset, categorized by nationality in some cases. Perfectly valid. However, you will notice that Islamists are a subset of Muslims, not criminals, which contains terrorists: two separate sets. In such cases, we categorize by a generic description of the event, or by the name of the group. That is, in fact what was done to contain members of the RC sex scandal; they have their own cat which is a subset of both religion and crime. —Viriditas | Talk 02:32, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • It sounds like your concern is the order of the modifiers, since the name appears to be a merger of two concepts: British terrorists and Islamic extremist terrorists (both of which apply to those within this category, I presume). I might support a 'Rename adding "extremist" to the name. And is there a difference between saying Muslim extremist and Islamic extremist? Apparently there is a difference between Islamic and Islamist. (The latter being extremists.) (See also Muslim#Disagreements and Islamic extremist terrorism.) - Jc37 03:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Entities of type Y are subtypes of entity type X if and only if every Y is necessarily an X. Terrorists are types of criminals; Islamists are types of Muslims. Muslims are not types of criminals. For example, in the case of the Roman Catholic sex abuse cases, members of the Roman Catholic church were named and implicated. Categories describing the nationality, church position, and crime of each person were not created due to the reasons above. Instead, a general category was created for the scandal itself (Category:Roman Catholic Church sex abuse scandal), and that cat was populated with members who maintained their original categories, such as by conviction (sex offender), by position (American Roman Catholic priests), and other crime cats (American rapists). The categorization of terrorists is no different than that of sex offenders. We do not mix religion and crime; instead we create a new category that either represents the incident or group, and categorize appropriately. This leaves the current categorization scheme intact while adding a new relationship. End result: Category:British Islamists and Category:British terrorists will be populated with the members of Category:British Islamist terrorists, and a new category will be added describing the relationship between the two. One solution might be to add relevant terrorist incident cats (for example Category:July 2005 London bombings) to relevant members, as the need arises. Notice, then, that all descriptive information has been accurately represented and preserved. —Viriditas | Talk 06:00, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Islamism and Terrorism are two distinct data sets. We categorize by one or the other, not both. The current scheme places two categories on each page, a Category:British terrorists, and a Category:Islamists, if they apply. A third category, describing the terrorist incident in question, may be added for additional information. This current category disrupts this scheme and enforces the POV of the person who created the category. Muslims aren't a type of criminal, and all Islamists aren't terrorists. When we need to describe a group of terrorists, we use the name of the terrorist group; we do not describe them by their religion. —Viriditas | Talk 01:54, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Atm I don't see a reason in your arguement to change my vote, however, I am more than willing to hear your thoughts. I don't see the validity of not including British + Islamist terrorist in the title of the category. Can you give me specific quotations? - Jc37 05:13, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • First, thank you for your response. You've added new perspective to the information for me (and information is what we all need for a discerning choice : ) I was hoping for some specific quotes from policies or even guidelines (since I haven't found several of your points on the pages noted) You'll also please pardon me if I feel like this is similar to an old Algebra class I had regarding sets and sub-sets. If A = British + Islamist + terrorist, then A belongs to several sets: The British set, the Islamist set, the terrorist set, the British Islamist set, the Islamist terrorist set, the British terrorist set, and the British Islamist terrorist set. Each of those sets are potential categories. I'm still not seeing why a specific person "A" cannot belong to each of these sets. This obviously is not dealing with the question of whether those currently in the "set" (category) are each actually congruent to "A". Incidentally, does a category of American Roman Catholic priests executed after being considered criminals in China, while long, sound like a legitimate category to you? - Jc37 00:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • British people belongs to People and Categories by nationality. People and Religion are both children of Society. That's the relationship. Religion is not a member of People, but Beliefs, which in turn belongs to Thoughts. There is no overlap at this level, but they do overlap in many sub-cats. Yes, some criminals are Muslim, but all Muslims are not criminals. So these people can belong to other sets, but we don't do it due to overcategorization. Why should we list criminals by belief; why not shoe size or hair color? This form of categorization implies that Muslims are types of criminals. The category doesn't work that way; it's sorted by occupation. The identity of the criminal is defined by the type of crime. I've looked throughout the Criminals cat to find something approaching "British Islamist terrorists" and came up empty. We must be consistent. What is an "Islamist terrorist"? It is usually defined as a group, and that is how it should be listed. Terrorists are listed by nationality, group name (if any), and when appropriate, by another type of criminal act, such as hijackings. Category:People by religion and occupation does not seem to be populated by criminals or nationality, although some categories have used nationality due to size. Again, no terrorists, but this category is a complete mess. Persian mathematicians are a member of Muslim mathematicians, so all Persian mathematicians are Muslim? Same goes for Arab mathematicians. How interesting, the Jewish scientist Mashallah is categorized as a Muslim as a result. It doesn't end there, either. I could go on, but why? The categories are completely out of control. Why are occupations being classified by religion? Christian pet detectives? Zoroastrian street sweepers? Where does it end? As for the priests: Chinese executions and People executed by method would be appropriate. If there is a group of ten or more, adding a new category which describes the group and incident at a certain level is encouraged. Victims of human rights abuses has Political prisoners, but People imprisoned or executed for their religion, or some such variant would work, which could then belong to Chinese repressions, as well as others. —Viriditas | Talk 04:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why does it make sense to categorize terrorists by nationality, and by type of action, but not by ideology (Islamist, nationalist, separatist, communist, neo-Nazi, anarchist, animal rights)? --GCarty 11:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Before I respond, does anyone know if there is a point that we should move a discussion to the talk page?
Ok, you (Viriditas) have brought up some interesting points that I'd like to consider/respond to.
    1. "There is no overlap at this level, but they do overlap in many sub-cats." - Such as this one, I presume?
    2. "Yes, some criminals are Muslim, but all Muslims are not criminals." - I don't think that that is being disputed at all.
    3. "This form of categorization implies that Muslims are types of criminals." - In this case, I disagree. You've actually argued against this reading by claiming that "terrorist" is an occupation (which also may or may not be true.) British Islamist cab drivers would not presume that all Islamists are cab drivers, just that those in this specific category are (that these belong to this sub-set).
    4. "So these people can belong to other sets, but we don't do it due to overcategorization." - citation and reason please? An example I find is Abdul Nacer Benbrika under Category:Muslim activists This person (according to the article) is a terrorist, as well as an activist. By his inclusion in this category, should we presume that all activists are terroists? Obviously not.
    5. "Why should we list criminals by belief; why not shoe size or hair color?" I think a direct analogy would be the "The Red-Headed League", a group from a case of Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes. Since the criminality stems from the circumstancial (whether extremist muslim, or having red hair) then I do think it's notable.
    6. "I've looked throughout the Criminals cat to find something approaching "British Islamist terrorists" and came up empty." Category:Provisional Irish Republican Army members Nationality + Belief + terroist.
    7. "this category is a complete mess." and "The categories are completely out of control." Find an appropriate talk page somewhere, list it at the WIkipedia:Village pump, get a discussion started, and let's get it fixed by concensus. : )
    8. "Why are occupations being classified by religion?" Why not? - Jc37 12:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Japanese actress

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:30, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Japanese actors. -- ProveIt (talk) 14:56, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tommy February6 releases

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Actors who portrayed The Mad Hatter (Batman)

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:25, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Actors who portrayed The Mad Hatter (Batman) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Freiburg School and Category:Freiburg School economists

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The result of the debate was keep/withdrawn --Kbdank71 14:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Obscure claimed school. Main category has one eponymous article and subcategory has three stubby entries JQ 11:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Stubbiness does not imply obscurity. The term "Freiburg School" is a much used term in academia. See Google Scholar for example. Intangible 15:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. Google Scholar produces 400 or so hits, some to a school of thought in embryology. This is enough to justify an entry, but not enough for its own category. For comparison, "Chicago School" gets over 17000 entries and lots of individual economists have more entries than this. JQ 20:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment. Well. Only recently a renewed (international) interest was generated into the Freiburg School. I don't think you can hold that against them. Its signifance in Germany's history is also not to be neglected. Without these people, West Germany would never have prospered right after the Second World War. Furthermore, there are also hits in Google Scholar to each individual member, without explicit reference to the Freiburg School. (854 vs. 974 for Walter Eucken). Intangible 21:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • OK, I agree that this group is of interest, although I hadn't heard of them before and I'm reasonably well-read in economics (social market economy and ordoliberalism certainly, but normally imputed to others). Still, there are a *lot* of 'schools' in this sense, and we need to work out a sensible way of dealing with them in the categorization scheme or it will be overwhelmed. I propose to create a category for locality-based schools of thought, including say Chicago, Virginia public choice and so on, and include Freiburg in this group.
 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, the wub "?!" 13:13, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep I have just looked at the category and some of the articles. I think that caregories are important to organize material together. Thus, a catgory for each economic school of thought is not too much, with a super category above such schools. The WP database can certainly handle more categories.

And economics is important to all our lives. Thanks Hmains 16:17, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Canadian Football League punt returners

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The result of the debate was rename/merge both to Category:Canadian football return specialists --Kbdank71 14:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

POST-CLOSING UPDATE: I noted that Dale and I made a mistake in our suggestion to rename, in that all these subcategories are "Canadian Football League (X)", not "Canadian football (X)". So I changed the closing instructions to "Canadian Football League return specialists".--Mike Selinker 14:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Category:Canadian Football League kick returners. --Amchow78 (talk) Amchow78 19:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Municipalities in Spain and all of its subcategories to Category:Municipalities of Spain

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 14:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from speedy after dicussion. Vegaswikian 22:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

per naming conventions. Tim! 19:29, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Giant Panda (Hip Hop)

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:06, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Giant Panda (Hip Hop) to Category:Giant Panda albums

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Category:Rayons of Azerbaijan

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Rayons of Azerbaijan to Category:Districts of Azerbaijan
Rationale: To use standard English term. David Kernow 10:42, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Lobbying groups

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:04, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lobbying groups into Category:Advocacy groups

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Category:Celebrities with MySpace accounts

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 13:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Celebrities with MySpace accounts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Commonwealth Sport

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 14:01, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Commonwealth Sport to Category:Category:Commonwealth of Nations sports competitions (changed - see below)

  • I understand what the proposer of this name change is seeking, however I would argue that Commonwealth Sport is succinct enough as a category. Mais oui! argues that all the members of the category are competitions - this is not so, since one of the pages is Commonwealth Games Associations which are the governing bodies of Commonwealth Sporting activity in their relevant countries. Most of the competitions are sanctioned by the Commonwealth Games Federation - including the bridge competition - though not all are. To ease with disambiguation perhaps an entry at the front of the article stating that Commonwealth refers to countries and territories which are part of the Commonwealth of Nations - as opposed to the Commonwealth of Virginia etc. That in itself would be a simple solution, though not totally encyclopeadic. For instance Hong Kong has taken part at the Commonwealth Lifesaving Championships, post return of the territory to China. The intention of the category was to show that sporting competitions take place between Commonwealth countries outwith and beyond the Commonwealth Games. Incidentally this is another arguement for why the Commonwealth of Nations is still relevant in the 21st century, because Commonwealth nations have a desire to compete against each other in sporting competitions ..... but that is a discussion for another page. In short I would argue that the category remains simply and succinctly Commonwealth Sport. Rhyddfrydol 18:51, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, but if kept, {{capitalmove}} to Category:Commonwealth sport. There's more than one Commonwealth. David Kernow 02:14, 20 August 2006 (UTC), updated 21:46, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Entertainers from Creole Decent

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 13:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Entertainers from Creole Decent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Rock'n'Roll

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 13:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Rock'n'Roll (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Bassists

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The result of the debate was ok, let me know when it's done. I have no idea how to divide them. --Kbdank71 13:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Members should be divided between Category:Double-bassists, Category:Bass guitarists, and Category:Musicians. -- ProveIt (talk) 06:01, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional South Park foods

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 13:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional South Park foods (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Georgia maps

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The result of the debate was delete, empty --Kbdank71 13:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Georgia maps into Category:Maps of Georgia (country)

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