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| Michael Ratner – Inactive. – 13:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Daniel Pipes – Inactive. – 13:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC) |
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Source: Talk:Daniel Pipes The recent archiving of the talk page of this article has made the editing content dispute unclear. There are still problems with lack of balance and lack of full citations in this controversial article on a living person; earlier tags placed by editors alerting other users of this encyclopedia to problems of this kind were continually being reverted by some users and even administrators, making it difficult for Wikipedia users to be referred to the talk page for discussion. Then an administrator placed current discussion in an archive page (1) that was very difficult to follow. [I added a second archive page (2) to alleviate that problem; in that archive page 2 I placed my own comments from February 2007, which the administrator had deleted from the current talk page and moved to an archive of comments from 2003-2006.] My comment in Talk:Daniel Pipes of March 1, 2007, explains what I find are the problems of that manner of archiving and refers to still easily-accessible full citations for the content of the current version of the article on Daniel Pipes, which can be used in improving the article's citations. The article is currently tagged with an "unreferenced" template (by another editor). I agree that the article needs the "unreferenced" tag, along with the tags that were removed by others alerting to the problems of lack of balance and lack of neutrality; these three problems are interrelated in my view. --NYScholar 00:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC) [moved here from talk page of this noticeboard; misplaced originally there. Sorry.] Also, I just want to add that I believe that the citations problems that I perceive in this article are fairly easily resolvable; but I myself will not being doing any more work on it (due to the non-productive conflicts that I've already experienced there and future lack of time). I've provided the necessary citations information for other editors to do that work. Explanations are already in the talk page archive (2) of the article and in my own talk page archive (2).] --NYScholar 09:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)]
I confess I don't clearly understand NYScholar's report here—it seemed to be about restoring talk pages which had been archived and a nonspecific complaint about references. There is an excessive external links problem in the Daniel Pipes biography. For example, in the text of the background section, one external site is linked twenty or more times and a single article is linked four or more times. However, the most obvious problem is patent Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Undue weight policy violation. Three quarters of the article's content (~76.5% by text length) is devoted to detailing other persons' antagonism toward the subject's views in the praise, criticism and controversy and massive opinions sections. — Athænara ✉ 03:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Category:American academic administrator stubs – Referred to Category talk page. – 01:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Britney Spears – Resolved. – 13:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC) |
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Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an up-to-the-minute scandal-in-your-face celebrity news site. It is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article to even attempt to rack up this kind (and amount) of detail. — Athænara ✉ 01:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
There is little difference between those two versions from the uninvolved Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Neither of them is appropriate in an encyclopedia because they are both overloaded with celebrity-fanatic detail. I underlined "that does not mean it has a place here," "even if true" and "raise to the standard as laid out in WP:NOTNEWS" in Eqdoktor's earlier post to add emphasis to the point I am making in this post. — Athænara ✉ 10:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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| Robert Stacy McCain – Inactive. – 13:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC) |
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Questionable defamatory material appears cut and pasted from another site.[2] Not verifiable from the cite it claims the material comes from. [3] Robert Stacy McCain personally denied the charge. [4] McCain's response also shows Wikipedia is the only source now for this questionable content. [5] Raw hit piece intended to slander. Obama bin Levin 19:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
There have been no edits to the article since the day of this report. — Athænara ✉ 06:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Debbie Schlussel – Resolved. – 13:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Kurt Nimmo – Inactive. – 13:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Johann Hari – Resolved on article talk page. – 13:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC) |
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We have a dispute that could use some BLP expertise at Talk:Johann_Hari#Request for Comment: Disputed Photo. Briefly summarized, the parties dispute whether an image is usable in the Johann Hari bio article - Hari denies that the picture is him, but some editors believe that the image is unmistakably him, and the image is captioned (on Flickr) as being a photo of Hari taken at an event that he later wrote about. Some editors think that the image is unflattering, and others think that it's a good illustration of Hari practicing his craft (journalism). Does the dispute over the photo's accuracy raise BLP issues? The full explanation is here, and comments are welcome here. Thanks, TheronJ 13:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Rochelle Holt – Deleted. – 13:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC) |
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The continued call for the deletion of the article on Rochelle Holt is unjustified and bizarre. Some Wikipedia editors, like JoshuaZ and Skinwalker, explain the proposed deletion because-- in addition to her MFA from the University of Iowa-- Rochelle Holt pursued further studies at Columbia Pacific University (CPU). The campaign of these editors is part of an orchestrated academic witch hunt. The defamation of CPU is an extension of the irresponsible misinformation phenomenon, which is described quite well, for example, in M. Scott Peck's book, People of the Lie (ISBN 0-671454927; Dr. Peck is best known for his best seller, The Road Less Traveled). Wikipedia editor "Skinwalker" calls CPU a "diploma mill", [6]. This is an outrageously false and potentially libelous accusation, which defames thousands of CPU graduates. Here is a brief description of CPU by former FBI educational expert John Bear: [7]. From the list of Notable Alumni in the Columbia Pacific University article, a whole group of renowned people were deleted, among them, John Sigurdsson, Minister of Industry and Commerce of a European nation, Iceland, [8]; Barbara De Angelis, internationally known and New York Times number one best selling author; award winning scientists Frank G. Shellock (UCLA) and Jerome Workman ; as well as the former British Prime Minister Harold Wilson, a Honorary Fellow. A supporter of adult education, Prime minister Wilson was a founder of the Open University in Britain and delivered a speech in 1983 at a CPU graduation ceremony held in Birmingham, England. The deletion of these eminent people from the list is part of the attempt to discredit CPU. The unfair treatment of CPU by biased editors is unprofessional and should be brought to the attention of fair-minded Wikipedia administrators, contributors, as well as Wikipedia donors and in fact everyone concerned about the quality of the Internet, the advancement of knowledge and intellectual freedom. The article on Rochelle Holt in its present stage clearly shows and documents that she is notable on several accounts and highly eligible to be featured in Wikipedia: She is listed in the International Who’s Who in Poetry, London: Routledge, ISBN 0948875593, [9], and her biography is featured at universities and literary publications. Please see citations and references in the article. She received numerous professional awards, grants and honors, including nomination for the Pulitzer Prize. She is regarded by her peers as a major poet and a significant science fiction writer. A Readers Digest survey ranked her first among American poets. In addition to her numerous and well-received books, she published over 2000 poems in about 300 periodicals and magazines, and gave over 700 public readings at universities, schools, hospitals, libraries, bookstores and other places. She has originated a new literary genre within the category of the poem-novel, recognized by experts as a significant and innovative accomplishment. Her plays have been performed in theatres. As a publisher she has advanced the works of other professional artists. Among other things, she has published important scholarly work about the life and art of Anais Nin, Henry Miller, Lawrence Durrell as well as others and contributed to the development of literary theory. I went through uncounted entries in Wikipedia, and I am amazed to see how many of them are basically just short notes about people who cannot really reach the level of notability as Rochelle Holt does, and nevertheless they are featured in Wikipedia. Thank you for looking into this problem. Paul Hartal 15:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The Texas law (and of other states) is unconstitutional. To deny California laws and standards violate the rights and status of California as part of the United States of America. A federal court ruled against Oregon in this regard. In a separate case,when CPU protested, ODA removed its designation of CPU as a "diploma mill", and simply does not accept CPU degrees in Oregon. This is also unconstitutional but not libelous. A huge difference! Paul Hartal 17:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The article was deleted at 01:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC) as per result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rochelle Holt. — Athænara ✉ 03:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Roger J. Geronimo – Deleted – 08:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC) |
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The Roger J. Geronimo article has been featured on Wikipedia for quite a long time and edited by a number of contributors who did not propose its deletion. Why then suddenly the urgency and the change in policy? Also the announcement is given in a dictatorial tone. Some administrators seem to forget that Wikipedia exists in a democratic society supported by donors! Roger Geronimo was an adviser to President Ronald Reagan. This alone makes him a notable person. He is also a noted tenor. The Internet is a relatively new medium and most of the reliable sources on him are in “old fashioned” printed publications. It is quite evident that Roger Geronimo’s position as president of Columbia Pacific University (CPU),[11], [12], [13], does not make him very popular with editors such as JoshuaZ and Skinwalker. They either ignore or are confused concerning the legal status of CPU degrees in California. Skinwalker calls CPU a “diploma mill” (20:53, 7 March 2007, UTC), which is a violation of Wikipedia guidelines because he irresponsibly defames living persons! [14]. His outrageously false and potentially libelous accusation defames thousands of CPU graduates. Mind you, a diploma mill is a bogus school, which sells phoney degrees. CPU on the other hand was a real school, accredited (approved) by the State of California where students earned their degrees by hard work. Here is a brief description of CPU by former FBI educational expert John Bear: [15]. Skinwalker refuses to accept the fact that the court that closed CPU did not adjudicate that CPU was a diploma mill. In fact, it ruled that CPU degrees earned before June 1997 are legally valid in California because until that date the school was state approved. Moreover, the State of California acknowledges that these CPU degree holders are eligible to sit for professional licensing examinations, similarly to graduates of regionally accredited universities. So calling CPU a degree mill is malicious misinformation. Skinwalker, and others with similar agendas, should be banned from editing CPU related subjects, or at least apologize for their irresponsible and defamatory words. Thank you for looking into this matter. Paul Hartal 16:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The article was deleted at 13:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC). The reason which was given: "On PROD for five or more days. Notability." — Athænara ✉ 03:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Sinbad (actor) – Resolved. – 13:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Amber Sainsbury – Resolved. – 13:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC) |
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Pretty funny - but i dont think it belongs in a bio ... "On top of that she has a great rack" Sadness Sa 10:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
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| Li Hongzhi – Resolved. – 12:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC) |
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I believe that on this page Li Hongzhi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), which is protected, there are several Wikipedia Policy violations, so I prepared a draft Talk:Li Hongzhi/Edit request 2007-02-14 which fixes some of these violations. Could anyone of you take the time and look over these and perhaps let me know how to proceed further? This is an important page since it ranks first on google see here: [17] --HappyInGeneral 13:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Done. The page was updated in 16 March 2007: [18] --HappyInGeneral 09:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Article about suspected sockpuppets of a WP editor? – Inactive. – 12:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC) |
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Article about suspected sockpuppets of a WP editor?Is this Kosher? Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of The real Barbara Schwarz Thanks. Steve Dufour 23:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Dufour: in your first post on this thread, your syntax placed this noticeboard itself in the category. I added ":" (between "[[" and "Category:") to correct that. In your last edit you removed the text entirely. Without it, your first post was nonsense again, so I restored it and also copyedited my own previous post to make the username distinction clearer. Justanother: the guideline you cited states that such "self-references are entirely acceptable ... in the Wikipedia namespace" which is where this noticeboard is. How are you applying it here? Did you mean that Dufour is another such sockpuppet? — Athænara ✉ 06:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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| Primal therapy – Article talk page archived. – 12:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC) |
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Randroide (talk · contribs) claims that his source, a defunct Spanish magazine, Conocer, is "bullet proof" and has not come up with any credible independent sources supporting the magazine's claims. My view is that none of the discussion of this matter belongs on the article talk page. Any dispute resolution if there is to be any should be carried out elsewhere with oblique references to the disputed content. I notified Arthur Janov of the problem and shall do the same regarding this posting. Unfortunately the discussion is in several segments (sections and subsections) - hard to sort out because I, in my inexperience, accepted User:Randroide's preferred style of posting. They are: Reversion of potentially libellous material Restoration of discussion deleted by GrahameKing (only down to but not including The PubMed reference) Some great links (only the part tacked on by User:Randroide after my signature plus responses right to the next subsection) Translation of quote, but should it be used at all? Again with the Conocer article Links to the deleted stuff / Not libel at all / The buck does not stop here I hope this helps in sorting out this mess. Please advise me if I need to do anything to remove this content. --GrahameKing 10:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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| Lewis Taylor – Deleted. – 12:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC) |
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It seems that the subject is once again requesting the removal of the article,[19][20][21] and based on the subsequent blanking of the page by the article creator,[22] it seems that they have assented. I feel that this might qualify the article for a speedy deletion per speedy deletion general criterion #7: "author requests deletion", but am hesitant to speedy-tag it, as it could be argued that some of the cleanup edits by other users could arguably be considered "substantial content". I'm not even sure that a proposed deletion is appropriate, considering that they are meant for reasonably uncontroversial deletions, which this is not. Should this be taken to AfD? Dancter 19:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
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| Robert Gray (pastor) – Deleted. – 12:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Brian Baird – Resolved. – 12:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC) |
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Is it possible to revert the page to its status before all these changes were made? Thanks, Brian Wagner, Office of Congressman Brian Baird —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biggerz (talk • contribs) 18:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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| Mariane Pearl – Inactive. – 12:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Kenny Smith – Vandalism - fixed. – 12:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Jonah Goldberg et al. – Inactive. – 10:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC) |
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Unverifiable claims that Lyndon B. Johnson is Jonah Goldberg's biological father have been inserted repeatedly into both Jonah's and Lucianne's articles (and Johnson's), along with claims that Lucianne is widely known as "Luci the bat". Amazingly, this is actually the same anonymous APNIC editor as the neverending Cheri DiNovo dispute; Drugs and prostitution is their current target of choice for DiNovo-related attack edits. They even persist in labelling anybody who reverts their changes as an "attack queer", in removing from talk pages any administrator comment that addresses why they can't do what they're doing, and in vandalizing user talk pages with personal attacks. I've taken to blocking any IP number that makes these edits for 48 hours as soon as I see it, but I can't speak to how effective this will be since this has been coming from a dynamic IP range and blocks haven't stopped them previously. Bearcat 07:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Update: The anon user is also now adding the unsourced claims about Jonah Goldberg's paternity directly to Lyndon B. Johnson itself. And on the DiNovo front, they've added plastic surgery to their list of targets, with repeated addition of a link to DiNovo's website, but captioned as "botched plastic surgery" or "plastic surgery errors" or some other such attack edit. Bearcat 09:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
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| Gillian McKeith – Inactive. – 10:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC) |
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Look at this Google.co.uk search using the terms dr gillian mckeith There's some text at the bottom saying "In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read more about the request at ChillingEffects.org." 'Read more about the request' is hyperlinked to UK individual complains of defamation, at chillingeffects.org UK newspaper the Guardian has mentioned this in this column. Some wikipedians would like to say that Gillian McKeith requested that Google remove a link. Other wikipedians are very much against this. I would very much welcome some non-involved person to give me some advice. Thanks. (Full Disclosure - I want it in.) DanBeale 17:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Neil Gaiman – Inactive. – 10:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Rick Sanchez – Inactive. – 10:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC) |
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“He wasn't charged with hitting anyone, that doesn't mean he didn't.” He also refrences a stairical article tht mentions in passing that he hit someone, but does not elaborate. This is obviously a basher. The alleged incident he is talking about happened 17 years ago and cannot be confirmed. Please help stop thgis vandalism. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.3.202.37 (talk • contribs) 21:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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| Ellen Simonetti – Resolved. – 10:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC) |
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The source of contention, IMHO, is the NPOV of the article vs. those who would make some fairly serious negative statements about the subject. A week ago we started with [23] as of today we have [24]. Together with a long discussion that seems to wander around from point of the article rather too much, with various folks expressing their POV regarding E.S. The article was up for deletion several days ago; at the time I thought the article should remain. But now I am not so sure, given the insistence of a select few people on including what I feel is POV material. The article has stabilized now that it has a degree of protection from anonymous contributors, but I fear that 6 mons. from now the article will be back to the nasty state it was several days ago. Help or advice is requested. Bdushaw (talk · contribs) 09:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your attention; I appreciate your recent changes. Signing off from E.S. - Bdushaw 17:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC) Before I finally leave this entry, there is something I've just noticed - A careful (or not so careful) look at our discussion page [25] seems to suggest that user "ihatequeenofsky" and user "Chulcoop" are one and the same; the unsigned entries from "ihatequeenofsky" have been labeled as from "Chulcoop". If so, then I have been arguing with Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, which is so weird as to be a little frightening. If so, then I believe this is "sock puppetry", etc.; the discussion seems to have been a major waste of time. Bdushaw 19:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Disruptive editing of this article is no longer completely out of control. — Æ. ✉ 10:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I am putting E.S. back on the list here for the third time - I don't know how to link in the archived entries for Ellen Simonetti here. One of our disruptive editors is just off of a week-long block and is back at it again already, now having nominated the article for deletion, though we had that discussion a month ago or so. It has become a nice article, IMHO (special thanks to AE!), if fellow wikipedians can keep it that way. I think it best that I let others handle this situation; I am going to stay out of it. I've also been working on the article for blog where similar problems for E.S. could appear. Bdushaw 22:28, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
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| Sandra Day O'Connor – Inactive. – 10:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Jim Bob Duggar – Resolved. – 10:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC) |
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Hello, I am assisting as a member of the Mediation Cabal in attempting to resolve an editing dispute between two editors on the biography of Jim Bob Duggar. I have requested both parties to the dispute take a 5 day break to cool off while I solicit unbiased opinions and suggestions from members of this project. Please examine the article, the talk page and the case page if you are interested in helping resolve this dispute. If someone is interested in improving the article themselves as a third party editor so much the better!--Ulysses411 04:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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A problem at Praful Bidwai (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Birdsmight (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), a possible sock of a banned user, has made repeated edits to the article. I have attempted to discuss it with him at length on his talk page; the correspondence is largely copied on the article talkpage. The latest set of reverts focus on criticism of this (mainstream, if fairly obscure) columnist that is sourced to a self-published website and a fairly obvious partisan website. The editor in question says that as the contentious material is "not ad hominem" it is "not libelous". He has ceased to discuss it and now reverts without discussion. I have to push off shortly; I would appreciate another pair of eyes on this. --Hornplease 15:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
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| Rocky Anderson – Vandalism reverted long ago. – 10:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC) |
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ETA: See talk page at the bottom for the discussion. 132.206.72.204 14:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
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| O. J. Simpson – Vandalism reverted. – 10:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC) |
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Again, in accordance with the information posted on Wikipedia which states: "This article must adhere to the policy on biographies of living persons. Controversial material of any kind that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous" the information on this site is both controversial and very poorly sourced. The specific statement about his termination is certainly libelous. Again we respectfully ask that you assist in the removal of this missinformation. //Cbush 22:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
The source that is used (Stone, Brad (July 2004), The Linux Killer, Wired Magazine) confirms that IKON fired McBride. He filed a lawsuit against McBride, they countersued, and in the end, it was settled out of court. IKON paid McBride a $1.4 million settlement. It is controversial but it is well-sourced, so it should stay in the article. Wired Magazine is a reliable source. NeilinOz1 19:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Julia Duffy – Vandalism reverted. – 10:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Gerard Way – Vandalism reverted. – 10:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC) |
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"While My Chemical Romance were staying in The Colorado Hotel in Michigan, his younger brother, Mikey Way, the bass player of MCR found Gerard hanging from the bathroom door of his suite [1]. All attempts to resusitate him on the scene failed, and was pronounced dead on hotel property around midday on March 23. The band have issued a statement urging fans to "stay strong in this time of need"[2]. Other bands have issued their condolences, with rival band Fall out Boy stating that "the rock industry has lost a god"[3]" This is UNTRUE Gerard is still alive as he played two shows after the 23rd of march please change this before there is unrest between fans due to this false information —Preceding unsigned comment added by Helena14 (talk • contribs) 21:36, March 26, 2007 (UTC)
I believe the user is referring to Gerard Way. Looks as though all reports of Mr. Way's untimely "passing" have been reverted, though. Ispy1981 23:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC) |
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