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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Nice cleanup.--Wafulz 22:06, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Zona Norte

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This article is a translation from the Spanish Wikipedia. However some users removed most of the content.

  • Delete. The article at esWiki that this was "translated" from is a rather detailed piece on prostitution and adult entertainment in Tijuana. It has no sources and reads like original research, so it's not suitable for translating in its entirety to enWiki. No prejudice against re-creation with sources and with a less ambiguous name, but I'm uncertain there is enough in the way of sources out there for it. Arkyan • (talk) 16:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Objectionable content was removed. --Rivus 21:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are valid sources, like this article from the San Diego Youth and Community Services: http://www.sdycs.org/site/DocServer/TIC_-_2.doc?docID=641 or the article from Cimac: http://www.cimacnoticias.com/noticias/06abr/s06041101.html

Prostitution in Tijuana is a big problem, so there are sources to verify the content that is written in the article.

If you check the information in the Spanish site, that now has the reference, it says mostly the same as this article.

There is also the blog, however, the author has not talked about his methodology (poll and interviews) and has not been peer reviewed enough, but there are many sites that can be cross referenced to find the validity of all the information.


how about you find them and re-write the article.

I will do that. It's already started in Spanish...

  • Keep and expand - These Red-light districts are notable, similar to Combat Zone (Boston) or Storyville. Given the proximity to San Diego, this area is very frequented by sex tourists and is certainly well known. The article is a mess though and doesn't even mention it's located in Tijuana. --Oakshade 18:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - I'd be willing to translate/rewrite this article from the esWiki version if it were sufficiently sourced, but the problem is that even the "new" sources presented there are, with one exception, culled from a blog. If the district is notable then sources will exist, but we cannot assume notability prima facie simply because other red-light districts have been shown to be notable. Arkyan • (talk) 20:54, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's good for a start. I'll work on translating the article tomorrow and using those for starting sources, and will withdraw the delete !vote from before. Arkyan • (talk) 22:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I was going to translate the esWiki version of this article, which was rather exhaustive in terms of information, however that article has been deleted from esWiki [1] for their version of WP:NOT. I've no objections to a sourced article on this topic being written here but I am no longer able to translate it as the spanish version is gone. Arkyan • (talk) 15:56, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I already started the article using information only form the San Diego Youth and Community Service. The information from the article from the Spanish Wikipedia is here, and it concurs with the information from other sources.

I checked this document, and it has the same information about the states of procedence for the Paraditas.

http://www.oas.org/atip/country%20specific/AZAOLA%20Mexico%20Child%20Sex%20Exploitation.pdf

Besides prostitution, there are also drugs in the Zona Norte, here is the article: http://experienciastj.blogspot.com/2007/06/drogas-en-la-zona-norte.html



Here is the translated article from spanish:

  • Comment - I moved the text onto the talk page to keep it from clogging this up. I'd rather have had the Spanish text to translate from - but this will do fine. However, someone has copy-pasted copyrighted text directly into the article and this is plainly unacceptable. I am going to mark that for speedy deletion, and once it's deleted I will re-write the article based on the translated text as well as the links that Oakshade dug up previously - thanks for the help guys. Arkyan • (talk) 14:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just plain keep - I've gone ahead and completely rewritten the article with the provided sources as well as a couple of others that I dug up. It should be well within inclusion criteria now. Enjoy. Arkyan • (talk) 19:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note : I am moving the commentary about the article itself onto the article's talk page, it's a better venue for such discussion. Try to keep the conversation here focused on whether or not the article should be deleted. Thanks! Arkyan • (talk) 22:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Thanks to Arkyan's rewrite of 22 June, this is now a solid and well-referenced article! I left a message for User:Stealthrabbit127, the nominator of the AfD, to see if he will withdraw his nomination due to the rewrite. EdJohnston 17:16, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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