Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zion Covenant Series

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep main article and Merge individual books into it. 2 Keeps, 3 Deletes, 2 Keep main+Merge books (the last two votes, even though they've got Keep bolded) - the obvious thing to do appears to go with a merge to main series. Black Kite (t) (c) 22:21, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Zion Covenant Series[edit]

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Non-notable series of novels, only coverage online seems to be amazon & similar catalogs. Most have been tagged questionable notability for more than a year. Misarxist (talk) 13:58, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Includes the above novels from the series. Misarxist (talk) 14:11, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. — Misarxist (talk) 14:11, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - or merge with authors' article. There is little independent coverage for the books.--Sodabottle (talk) 04:40, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:36, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. In agreement with nomination. Chicken Wing (talk) 02:59, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Google news search at the top of the AFD shows 8 results for the series[1]. Fort Wayne News Sentinel has an article titled LOOKING FOR AN ENTERTAINING BOOK? TRY THESE, and mentions the series. You can't read the entire article without paying though. Google book search link shows books have been published talking about these novels. Christian fiction: a guide to the genre By John Mort, at the bottom of page 78 and the top of page 79. A book titled A Light in Zion mentions "Bodies award- winning writing of The Zion Chronicles and The Zion Covenant series is supported by Brock's careful research and development". That's all that the preview allows to be read though. So, these writers won awards for this series of novels. Google book results has 58 results. Some of their books are on the bestsellers list. I'll keep looking to see exactly what awards they have won. Dream Focus 03:35, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's one review [2] of one of the books from g-news (the pay article mentioned is only 750 words long), & of g-books it seems to be just passing mentions & plot summaries in a few readers guides except for this page or two [3]. These could be added to the article on the authors (who are notable, have been kept at AFD before) but it seems that these books are still delete. (Note below the sales figures are from their web-site & there's only one mention in a readers comment on NYT.) Misarxist (talk) 14:35, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The award that Barnes and Noble says one of the books won, is a mistake, that award given out to eight other novels they've published in series other than these novels. This couple has sold over ten million copies of their novels. The New York Times website is screwing up, I unable to find the authors on it at all [4], or any of their books. Their bestsellers list is suppose to list things like this. Anyway, these books do get plenty of coverage in places that review religious books at least, and they probably sold well. So I say keep all. Dream Focus 05:48, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep' The books are each of them in over one thousand libraries. [5] Most of them have ibeen translated into several languages. There are probably reviews, for books get purchased by libraries on the basis of reviews. The articles need rewriting to show at least the facts of publication. Anyone can do it from WorldCat, and give that as a reference. DGG ( talk ) 16:14, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 21:27, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep There are references to these novels in some other published books; Google Scholar finds half a dozen. That's not a lot, and there seems to be almost zero coverage in newspapers, but still, I think the series makes it as notable. It would certainly help if someone could add a reference or two to the article. Meanwhile, although I am voting to keep the article about the series, I would suggest deleting the articles about the individual books, and redirecting to this article. --MelanieN (talk) 02:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above, I'd keep the series article and merge the individual books into it.David V Houston (talk) 14:43, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.