Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zim Afro T10

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:40, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Zim Afro T10[edit]

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Non-notable cricket competition, appearing on the WP:OFFICIALCRICKET list of tournaments considered non-notable (T10 cricket matches). Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 12:09, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and Cricket. StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 12:09, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Zim Afro T10 is probably fastest T10 league, with players from most ICC member countries. Also TV broadcasters exist from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, UK, Caribbean, Zimbabe among others. The tournament has already started and it was a great success. The article is very outdated currently. In fact, I came here to learn more about tournament and the teams, so there must be an audience to whom this article would serve. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leghari k (talk • contribs) 15:57, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This is a new tournament which is going to start soon. Many well-known Zimbabwen players like Sikander Raza, Craig Ervine, Sean Williams are playing in the league. Many foreign players from test status countries like Taskin, Mushfiq, Robin Uthapa, Yusuf Pathan many more are playing. Bollywood actor Sanjay Dutt bought Harare Hurricanes team in the league. It’s a notable upcoming cricket league. Jit Saha255 (talk) 19:19, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This is similar to the Abu Dhabi T10 and the several pages of this tournament that exist. Zimbabwe is a full member and the League has several if not all the players from full member organization. 166.198.21.8 (talk) 12:53, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll just note that this article was originally a simple redirect to T10 cricket#Zim Afro T10. GreekApple123 (talk) 16:07, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Restore redirect to T10 cricket#Zim Afro T20 Not notable enough in itself for an independent article, but the redirect was perfectly fine. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:55, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There are also pages on 2023 Zim Afro T10 and Harare Hurricanes. Given the way that leagues like this come and go at times I'm not sure we'll be needing all those pages to begin with even if consensus is to keep this. Blue Square Thing (talk) 06:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Agree 100% that both of those should go, they're even less notable than the main event article. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:58, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to T10 cricket#Zim Afro T10. Doesn't pass WP:GNG, and the existence of other articles such as Abu Dhabi T10 (which has received way more coverage) does not justify a separate article for this event, as per WP:OSE. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:58, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. WP:SIGCOV demonstrated by in-depth, non-routine coverage in leading Zimbabwean newspapers e.g. The Herald: [1][2][3][4][5]; The Chronicle: [6][7][8][9]; NewsDay [10][11]. Features national-level players and overseas players so shouldn't be deemed non-notable just because it's the newest format. Beeeggs (talk) 15:28, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as there is support for Keep and Redirection. Please take a moment and evaluate new sources to see if they can contribute to notabiiity for a stand-alone article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:33, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to T10 cricket#Zim Afro T10.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:54, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I opened the refs posted above and they push this way over GNG. Desertarun (talk) 09:59, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 13:12, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article has three sources, one of which is perfectly fine, one of which appears primary, and one of which appears to be a press release. Given it hasn't started yet and needs only one more source, either redirecting, draftifying, or finding an additional source are all valid options here. SportingFlyer T·C 20:43, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We might want to consider merging either to or from 2023 Zim Afro T10 for starters - that can be recreated if we ever get a second edition (with this sort of league this is far from certain). It primarily contains scorecards which are basically statsdumps from external links and pretty much fail most things without prose to place them in context. I've gutted both articles of the trivia and so on and there's not a huge amount left. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:45, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of the outcome of this AFD, I don't believe we need a season article for every season. Depending on the outcome of this AFD, I will be nominating that article for deletion or merging (depending on whether this article is deleted or kept). Just because an event may have multiple seasons, that doesn't mean we need a season article for every season of this tournament. The tournament itself is struggling to demonstrate notability, so each season definitely won't have enough coverage to independently pass WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:37, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's probably a waste of time, considering that we do allow pages on seasons, and the additional sources that have been added to this since I commented ten days ago clearly pass WP:GNG, showing the season article probably passes WP:GNG as well. We can merge in a year if this only has one season. SportingFlyer T·C 12:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:35, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect The redirect seems better, it's almost TOOSOON at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 16:37, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The references seem to indicate that it passes WP:GNG. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 10:55, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Now clearly passes WP:GNG after updates. SportingFlyer T·C 12:37, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep seems to pass WP:GNG. Not sure about the season article, but this seems to be a reasonable keep, bearing WP:WORLDWIDE in mind and the fact that it seems to have received coverage from a range of sources. Park3r (talk) 01:14, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.