Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zane Birdwell

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The result was keep. According to WP:MUSICBIO #8, a Grammy does make one notable. Searching "Zane Birdwell" as an artist on the Grammy website does bring up his name for Always Looking Up. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Zane Birdwell[edit]

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Non-notable sound engineer that does not pass WP:BIO or WP:CREATIVE. The article asserts the subject was awarded a Grammy, but I can find no reliable sources saying this. Coverage has Michael J. Fox winning that Grammy. None of the five references in the article mention the subject at all. Working on the sound of works or performances is trying for notability by association. Clubmarx (talk) 22:27, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:05, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Zane Birdwell's Grammy is real - please do not delete page I feel confident that if you go to http://www2.grammy.com/GRAMMY_Awards/Winners/Results.aspx and search Zane Birdwell as the artist, you'll find that he was indeed awarded a Grammy statuette earlier this year along with Michael J. Fox and that this wikipedia page is absolutely necessary for providing information on his career to interested parties. He is more than happy to provide photo documentation of said Grammy award: www.angelfire.com/electronic2/zanetunes/243.jpg Thanks. Ta9520 (talk) 00:57, 26 April 2010 (UTC) — Ta9520 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 23:46, April 25, 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Not sure at the moment, but leaning delete. Ta9520 is correct in that if you go to the search page you do find this guy is listed. However, I cannot find anywhere that this has been recognised. The main Grammy listing page [1] only gives Michael J Fox as the winner. Searching comes back with his linkedin profile and wikipedia [2]. Everything else out there is simply listings of work he has been involved with and does not give any sort of commentary on the extent of his work, how well received it was etc etc. Quantpole (talk) 14:39, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I occasionally work with Zane from time to time at various studios and I can vouch that he has a Grammy Award. He's recorded a lot of celebrity audiobooks and high-profile people. If you check out his myspace page, I believe he's got several pictures of some of the people he's worked with... I can also attest that's he's well-respected in the New York theater community.

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:48, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not enough independent coverage, though he might have won an award, there are not enough coverage about it. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - At issue is notability. Notability is all about whether article subjects are worthy of notice. This is often established through coverage in reliable sources, buy by no means is this the only way to see if a subject is notable. The Grammy awards are the pinnacle in terms of award recognition in the American recording industry. As such, Zane Birdwell and his sound recording work has been deemed worthy of notice in as much as he has been awarded a Grammy. -- Whpq (talk) 19:03, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sorry but that is incorrect. The general notability guideline only talks about coverage in reliable sources. The reason we have other subject specific notability guidelines is so it can be agreed when it might be reasonable to assume someone has been covered in reliable sources (due to sources not all being available online or in English, or knowing what to look for). On wikipedia an award does not make someone notable, rather it is the expectation that the award means the person has been covered in reliable sources makes them notable. In this case it is not clear, particularly as the individual does not appear on the Grammy listing page for the award. There is plenty of coverage regarding Michael J Fox winning this award but none of it mentions Zane Birdwell. It is therefore not clear to me that the award in this case gives any indication that reliable coverage will exist, and I must therefore say delete. Quantpole (talk) 12:25, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - The guildeline is by no means exhaustive. A major award is prima facie evidence of notability. -- Whpq (talk) 13:12, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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