Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zaket

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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Zaket[edit]

Not in the standard academic king lists, no sources on Google Scholar or Google books, perhaps an old hoax but reliable sources don't list him. Doug Weller (talk) 20:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete by the article creator Hi sorry for the delay. If you check the list of pharaohs on the dynasty page back in June 2006 you'll see Zaket red linked. Clearly the person who red linked it was in error. Thankyou ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 15:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I can't find anything in Britannica or here (of course that doesn't mean he didn't exist as some king names are unknown). So I am delete per WP:VERIFY as not published by any known source. Anyway it's up to the editor really to find any reliable sources per WP:BURDEN. Nk.sheridan Talk 21:35, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I've posted a message at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ancient_Egypt asking for sources regarding this supposed king. Not WP:CANVASS, I hope! As i've not mentioned the AfD debate. Nk.sheridan Talk 21:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think you could have drawn it to people's attention so long as you didn't comment on it. Doug Weller (talk) 06:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Egypt-related deletion discussions. —Nk.sheridan Talk 21:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per lack of WP:RS Zaket is not mentioned as a king of the 16th dynasty by any reliable published sources or by an Egyptologist. Moreover this web (not reliable) source indicates that Zaket was possibly a fictional king: [1] while this reliable academic site by the University College of London names no such king: [2] (scroll down to the 16th dynasty). I checked Nicolas Grimal's book, A History of Ancient Egypt, and no Zaket appears either for the 16th dynasty. Leoboudv (talk) 22:41, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I consulted the most updated book on the topic by Brill in 2006 called "Ancient Egyptian Chronology (Handbook of Oriental Studies)" that was co-authored by Erik Hornung, Rolf Krauss and David Warburton. They provide a chronology table on page 492 and state the 16th and 17th dynasty were all Theban kings with names like Nebiriau, Sobekhotep VIII, Bebiankh, the 3 Intef kings, 2 Taoside rulers and Kamose. No Zaket, which is an Asiatic name, is listed. Leoboudv (talk) 23:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Likely, the "missing" name is due to a spelling problem combined with very uncertain chronology during the second intermediate period. Digital Egypt gives Sakir-har as a king of the 15th dynasty--perhaps one and the same with our Zaket. During the 2nd Intermediate period especially, dynasties and spelling of names is a huge mess. Often, it's not clear whether the king belonged to one dynasty or another, and the name is usually transliterated by several different choices. Add to this that some kings may not have been real, and the problems worsen. For the record, as of now there are no mainspace pages that link to the article. In theory, articles about second intermediate period kings are legit topics, but since we can't determine which king the article is supposed to be about, I wouldn't object to deleting. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 01:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I checked the Digital Egypt site and Zaket isn't there. In contrast, Sakir-Har was indeed a real Hyksos king; we already have an article with clear sources on him. Unless there is clear evidence for Zaket's existence, the best option is delete. We can't have phantom kings on Wikipedia. No one disputes the existence of king Sheshi or Yaqub-Har but no verifiable source confirms Zaket's existence at all. Zaket may be WP:OR Leoboudv (talk) 05:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Unverifiable at best. Edward321 (talk) 14:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Cannot find any reference in the books I have at hand that reference a King Zaket. A reference I have (The Complete Royal Families of Ancient Egypt) doesn't list any royal family member with that name. Likely spurious. Captmondo (talk) 21:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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