Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zafem

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:13, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Zafem[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:BAND, no credible assertion of notability, no chart position for music (itunes is not a chart) - an article full of redlinks, puffery ("The reaction of the public to this new album was euphoric") and unsourced content. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:09, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Haiti. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:09, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as above. Qcne (talk) 12:15, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This is PROMO. Usual cohort of streaming sites and social media found, can perhaps revisit after they set the world on fire with their tour. Oaktree b (talk) 15:36, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I found this announcement for an upcoming club tour by the band in America and the Caribbean, and even one gig in Africa. Coincidentally, that tour starts tomorrow; but not-so-coincidentally, it was announced two days before this WP article was created. That leads me to suspect that this article is part of a multi-media promotional scheme. Good luck to them and maybe the tour will generate some media coverage that can support an encyclopedic article. But until/unless that happens, it is too soon because they have not yet progressed beyond the usual streaming services and social media promotions. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:22, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article should not be deleted. Yes It should be corrected. Zafem is a popular haitian band with chart entry on Billboard (https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/billboard-charts-first-timers-wunderhorse-dr-teeth-and-the-electric-mayhem-1235330858/).It deserves a wikipedia article. Fanisepetiote (talk) 16:04, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

True but that is just one minor accomplishment so far and the Wikipedia rules for musician notability only say that someone may be notable with such accomplishments, but not definitely. There will be no problem with a new article if they become better known in the future. Meanwhile here is a a different link to Billboard in case the one above is broken. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:26, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Saying it's a "minor" accomplishment is highly subjective and sentimental and not knowing the dimension of the group.Besides the article on Billboard , the group have many articles from very reliable and respected medias like Yahoo , Le Nouvelliste , Ayibopost, Tracetv etc.I've looked at the criteria for musicians and ensembles , they're met. Contribute to the article instead of trying to delete. Build instead of detroy. 37.10.24.7 (talk) 19:24, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to point out that saying it's better than a minor accomplishment is also "highly subjective and sentimental". What matters here is Wikipedia's rules on notability and their interpretation as editors search for a consensus. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If your are contesting a Billboard-charted,one the most popular haitian bands notability you have to prove point by point how to the group is not notable. For now your statement is false unless wikipedia belongs to you and you make the rules. Fanisepetiote (talk) 21:31, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone here can click a few fields and see that you are the creator of Zafem's article and you have done very little on Wikipedia outside of that article and this debate. Therefore you have a certain non-neutral perspective, which is okay if you could avoid resorting to accusations. You can also take the opportunity to learn more about Wikipedia's practices. More specifically, I do not have to "prove" anything; instead I made a contribution to the community's consensus process and do not care if the consensus does not match my own opinion. Also, I did not make the rules. Several hundred Wikipedia editors made them by consensus over a couple of decades. See the musician notability rules and click the "History" tab. And to think, I actually wished Zafem luck way up above. I have nothing against them. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:38, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Again,you're making subjective and uninformed assumptions. I've also created the article" Petit Seminaire College Saint-Martial both the english and french version. Both articles were well received by wikipedians and well-edited over the years. This was not little . This was a huge contribution to wikipedia , creating 2 articles about one the most popular haitian school. I am not related to Zafem , I created articles about popular haitians.

Based on your logic,you should also try to delete Petit Seminaire College Saint-Martial since it seems to be not notable enough for you. Fanisepetiote (talk) 13:18, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If I might offer you some advice, @Fanisepetiote, I'd walk away right now and let the temperature drop and the consensus process work itself out. TBH, I'm not sure you're doing yourself any favours by continuing to wrangle with editors at this AfD... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:24, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was not my intention honestly to get into this fruitless debate. I created my first wikipedia article in 2014 and I've read the criteria for musicians notability.Zafem checked a lot of boxes there.The band has already a french wikipedia article (already published ) which I did not create but contributed that has way more sources and edits that my english version. Zafem has enough sources to prove its nobability. Some editors needs to research before they make false assumptions. Fanisepetiote (talk) 13:45, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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