Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zafarullah Jan (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Vanamonde (Talk) 04:57, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Zafarullah Jan

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Fails W:GNG. No coverage beyond statistics. Fails WP:CRIN, which states "judge notability by reference to a substantial secondary source that makes clear it is discussing a senior player, team, venue or match in historical rather than statistical terms". Fails WP:NSPORT which states "standalone articles are required to meet the General Notability Guideline". --Pontificalibus 11:42, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:46, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:46, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:46, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - if that is true about "historical rather than statistical terms", then that needs to be addressed on the articles of thousands of cricketers, let alone merely "minor" first-class cricketers - including many Test cricketer articles. It does not fail CRIN as he has made a first-class appearance - if articles need to be based on "historical terms" too - whatever that means - as I've said, thousands of articles, let alone merely this one, need to be addressed. "Article needs cleaning up" is not a deletion criterion of any sort. If you wish it to be, please inform every Wikiproject that their articles need to be "up to scratch". Bobo . 12:21, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note note that the WP:CRIN criterion "played at least one first class match" is, according to that page "merely a rule of thumb which some editors choose to keep in mind when deciding whether or not to keep an article that is on articles for deletion. But, the terms of WP:ATHLETE... are binding." This fails WP:ATHLETE because there is no coverage beyond statistics.----Pontificalibus 13:46, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a problem which needs fixing on thousands of articles, non-English and English alike, Test and first-class, and targeting a single one will not achieve anything. If you are willing to help out to achieve this - especially for the scores of international cricketers to which this applies - please do. "Article needs cleaning up" is not a deletion criterion. Bobo . 13:57, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If someone has created thousands of articles based on taking a sentence from CRIN out of context, that is obviously a problem. Meanwhile I will just PROD any article I happen to come across that fails to satisfy WP:GNG. I don't know where you are getting the cleaning up comment from, the subject fails basic notability criteria so there is no cleaning up of the article to be done.----Pontificalibus 14:03, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I have said all along that in a perfect world, every first-class team would have a List of X players article. If anyone is willing to put together List of Karachi Whites cricketers please feel free. Bobo . 12:38, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete- another cricket match report filed as a biography. Per nomination, and consensus at several recent similar AfDs, I agree with deleting this. Reyk _YO! 17:24, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ideally redirect to a list of Karachi cricketers (I'm not 100% on the exact differences between the Karachi teams - they seem to often get lumped together; Pakistani input might be helpful). In the absence of that list, I imagine delete is the best option. We know a name and that he played in a single first-class match. That's it. No other biographical details, no club matches and the like. In these circumstances I feel it's unlikely that we'll be able to source anything further than scorecards and statistical profiles - certainly I can find nothing helpful that's not based on Wikipedia. If source become available, perhaps in Urdu, then that's grand: we re-create the article with an appropriate level of detail. Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:01, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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