Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Your Sinclair official top 100

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Kurykh 21:24, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your Sinclair official top 100

Copyright violation of the magazine's intellectual property, this is a subjective list and not neutral statistics. Was prodded and prod2'd, but the prod inappropriately removed. Corvus cornix_talk 20:24, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Firstly, the article text has not been reproduced verbatim, only the list of names (none of which are © YS) and their relative positions, and I for one don't see how such a list can be copyrighted. Secondly, this list is an historical part of the Spectrum scene. Thirdly, by its very nature no such list can be anything but subjective, nor does this list claim to be; and I don't see how this reduces its value as a historical document. -- Korax1214 (talk) 00:06, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It doesn't matter if the names of the games are copyrighted to Sinclair, the list is. Corvus cornix_talk 21:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I was the prodder of this article. The copyright is perhaps debatable, but this is a subjective list, which is in general copyrighted (a factual list, like the list of the presidents of France or the sales of cars per month, is not copyrighted, since anyone with access to the sources should objectively come to the same list). This copyright problem might perhaps be solved by not reproducing the full list and adding commentary and external reliable sources about the list. However, it is unclear if the list has been discussed in external sources (unlike e.g. the Forbes 500 or Time 100, which usually gets discussed in lots of newspapers and magazines). If this list is not being discussed by other reliable, independent sources, then we shouldn't have an article on it. The list (not the article) can still be used as a reference in articles about Sinclair / ZX Spectrum games of course, this is not depending on this AfD. Fram (talk) 10:03, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game related deletions. Marasmusine (talk) 11:03, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Although I was the original contributor, I don't really mind if it stays or not, Fram is quite right in saying that it can still be used as an external reference. However, I didn't want to see the list removed from Wikipedia without a discussion first. Marasmusine (talk) 11:06, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – I concur with Marasmusine. It (the URL or magazine issue/page number) can be referenced in the Your Sinclair article; it doesn't need its own Wikipedia article. MuZemike (talk) 17:48, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Not an independently notable piece of work. -Rushyo (talk) 18:24, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.