Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Young Steff

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep per charted single.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:01, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Young Steff

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non-notable, written as advertisement, only links to his promoters website

This musician apparently has a forthcoming album. That's the closest thing to notability i can find.Bali ultimate (talk) 02:58, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• Keep - It's always hard to judge articles like these, but I think this one stays. With some work this article would be fine, and currently weak passes WP:MUSIC. A google news search reveals multiple articles about Young Steff from sources like MTV.com, The New York Times, The State and many more established media outlets. Put some of these sources into the article, and it passes WP:N no problem. -Marcusmax(speak) 03:04, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
• Neutral - Not sure now, if he meets cr.5 of WP:MUSIC, I don't know his discography information. -Marcusmax(speak) 03:35, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I just re-read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MUSIC I don't see how an argument can be made the article meets any of the criteria. And i can find no reference to him via google on the new york times or at MTV.com. Could you point me to those articles?Bali ultimate (talk) 03:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment - He has been mentioned in these articles NY Daily News, Interview*requires accesses code* The State and so on and so forth, he gets small mentions but from Notable sources. How many albums has he released? -Marcusmax(speak) 03:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

He hasn't released an album yet. The daily news story mentions in one sentence that he performed at a basketball camp for underpriveldged kids in new york 5 years ago. The access my library link provides a summary of a gushing article from Interview, a magazine known for running advertorial type stories for A&R reps. The last link is about an appearance he made in Columbia, South Carolina, to help promote a local radio show. He gets a one sentence mention in the local paper's metro section and that's it. I have more media mentions for my career and at greater length and believe me, i don't think i'm notable either.Bali ultimate (talk) 03:38, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I think we will let others vote, really this man has no importance to me at all. -Marcusmax(speak) 03:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Me neither... the advertorial nature of the article itself just got my hackles up.Bali ultimate (talk) 03:52, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 14:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC. All but 1 of the sources found are only trivial mentions.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 00:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

*keep single charted on the top 100 on BillBoard R&B/Rap. Distributed by Atlantic Records, a major label. Dlohcierekim 01:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC) <<expand>>Having an official site with a major label indicates notability. Dlohcierekim 01:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• comment dlohcierekim; please read WP:MUSIC . Neither having an official website nor once having a single that rose as high as 85 on the hot R&B chart are sufficient as per that policy.Bali ultimate (talk) 01:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Bali. Switch to delete. Dlohcierekim 03:33, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - If I may get back into this real quick, according to cr.2 of WP:MUSICBIO, an artist is notable if they, "Have had a charted hit on any national music chart". However im not a real music person, so whether the hot R&B counts is a mystery to me. Also according to cr.5 of that same clause, an artist is notable if they have released more than 1 album on a major label, however I don't know his albums to establish how many and with whom he has made. -Marcusmax(speak) 03:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
• Switch back to keep per marcus which is what I thought it said in the first place. [http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/esearch/searchResult.jsp?configType=BBCOM_SIMPLEDEFAULT&pubList=Billboard&an=bbcom&action=Submit&kw=&exposeNavigation=true&keyword=%22Young+Steff%22&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&submit=Submit&searchType=ARTICLE_SEARCH single charted on the top 100 on BillBoard R&B/Rap. Dlohcierekim 03:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.