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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. Since the two relists garnered no new participation, I see no point in a third relist. Any editor is welcome to re-nominate this in six months. Owen× ☎ 15:30, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yitzhak Ben-Bashat[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBLP. Very few sources, with the existing sources not being sufficient to establish notability (either being sources that are not independent of the subject or simply include the subject in a list of people killed).

There was previously an attempt by User:Zero0000 to speedily delete the page, but the author User:Eladkarmel contested the nomination. The argument for deletion points to the only sourcing being inevitable press releases mentioning the subject's death and argues that the page is a WP:MEMORIAL. In contesting this, the author made an argument against deletion by noting that the article exists in 5 languages (which counts English) and notes the subject's rank as a colonel. I am not persuaded by that counterargument. As the speedy deletion was contested without any prospect of the notability concerns being addressed, I am nominating this page at AfD as the next step per WP:DPAFD.

 Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:05, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete A search shows that the subject does indeed pass WP:GNG in the sense that there is coverage in RS. (The English translation is poor, resulting in errors; lieutenant colonel does not outrank colonel.) But I am unconvinced that he did anything noteworthy apart from lead his unit into an ambush like this guy. I wish that WP:SOLDIER had not been scrapped, because it would give us a yardstick: colonel is not a flag rank, a brigade is not a major formation unit, and the action in which he was killed is not an important one. So it looks like a WP:MEMORIAL to me, but I'm willing to take arguments. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:42, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The contents of this article show a typical biography of a military officer. The only part which is unusual is being one of the higher ranked Israeli officers killed in the present Gaza war. This is not especially notable either as many people have been killed, and we have WP:SINGLEEVENT to guide us. Long term coverage will only be to the extent that all nations remember their war dead. Overall it is completely obvious that this is a WP:MEMORIAL page. Zerotalk 01:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Passes the WP:GNG. No BLPBIO1E concern (also not claimed aboveby nom) as multiple RS covered Ben Bashat prior to his death. Prodding this was clearly against regulations. No case for deletion either. gidonb (talk) 18:19, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Would one need an understanding of Hebrew to locate those RS? When I try to search for sources to satisfy the notability requirements, I'm not finding anything promising. Searching on DuckDuckGo yields only pages reporting on the subject's death and Wikipedia mirror websites. Searching on Google is even less promising, yielding only Fandom pages, tweets, and automated Reddit threads about this deletion discussion. Likely due to the language barrier, I can't find enough sources to even justify a "Death of Yitzhak Ben-Bashat" page, much less enough to justify a "Yitzhak Ben-Bashat" biography. Indeed, searching in Hebrew does bring up many more pages, but all that I can find are dated around the time of his death, and even then, it doesn't take long before I run out of news results and all that comes up in the search is social media posts.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:04, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that searching in a foreign language is difficult and therefore many AfDs are misguided. In this respect, this nomination is one in a long tradition. On the positive side, you did not claim it is BIO1E. I immediately mentioned that. Many make that claim based on very partial searches. gidonb (talk) 21:09, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Sources in Hebrew are sufficient to show persistent coverage, at least since 2018, on a national level. In addition to sources already cited (excluding IDF sources), quick search for the name in Hebrew revealed the existence of others such as [1] [2]. Marokwitz (talk) 11:29, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for being the first to substantiate the WP:GNG claim with sources rather than simply saying that it meets it without elaborating, but I find these sources unconvincing. The most I can do to see what these sources say is an extremely rough machine translation, and at least according to that poor-quality machine translation, these can't really be used to establish notability. It appears that in the first source, the subject is only mentioned in passing, with the article being a routine announcement of who's being reshuffled. It appears to be an announcement of someone else taking a position previously held by the subject, while the subject moves to another position. The rest of that article is not about them, and even the sentences where the subject was mentioned were only half about them.
A single passing mention does not establish notability per WP:GNG (or WP:NBASIC) and does not warrant a standalone biographical article. As for the second page you linked, it looks like the subject is never even mentioned - I'm sure that's just the translation's fault, but I'd also make the educated guess that if the subject is mentioned in the second source, it must be in passing. The sources currently cited in the article certainly don't establish notability, even putting aside the ones that obviously don't count like the multiple links to the IDF website.
 Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:37, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to consider additional sources in other languages.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:25, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 21:57, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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