Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yaniv Azran

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 05:49, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yaniv Azran

Non-notable player. He was never international in senior's team. He played in weak teams of semi-professional leagues and he has never won a trophy. user:KRBN 17:09 14 March, 2005

Keep - Played first-team football in Israeli top division and also played for Israeli Under-21s. GiantSnowman 14:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Why always putting professional player to AFD? How semi-professional were the Israeli top division? Matthew_hk t c 16:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - several years of playing in national top divisions is good enough for me. - fchd 17:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Because he plays in a semi-professional league. Also he never played in any strong team. Also when we discussed about in talk page of WP:BIO, the big majority said that international players are ok to be included but not of playing in U-21. Highest level are the Champions League or World Cup etc. not the israeli league. Also I will remind again,Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andreas Stylianou, he played in top division of Cyprus, however he was deleted. Why such article must be kept? User:KRBN 17:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Judging from the comments on the AfD page, that article was about a basketball player, not a footballer, so I don't see the relevance of the comparison......? ChrisTheDude 18:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment - I know we should assume good faith, but it seems the nominator's standard of notability is somewhat different than most others (and, I daresay a little political). For instance, he/she has just prodded the article for the Minister of the Interior of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. - fchd 18:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. He is a Israeli top division football club player, so he is obviously notable. --Carioca 19:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep he plays for Ashdod which in turn plays in the UEFA Cup if they qualify. Seems notable to me. --Cyrus Andiron 19:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andreas Stylianou is a basketball player, but yes it is very relevant of comparison, since both played in top league of their countries. What better does this Azran have? As about the so called minister, he is actually a non-recognized minister, since TRNC is an illegal country, but this is another matter and a very irrelevant comparison. I doubt if Israeli top league is a fully professional league. User:KRBN 10:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The basketball comparison is not relevant, as there may be vast differences between the top basketball league in a country and the top football league. In England, for example, the top basketball league is very small-time stuff and a million miles away from the football Premiership..... ChrisTheDude 07:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - However, WP:BIO says for players who have played in a fully professional leagueUser:KRBN 16:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In one of your comments above you said "I doubt if Israeli top league is a fully professional league", suggesting that you don't actually know whether it is fully professional or not, yet you have nominated this article for deletion based on a definitve statement that the player has only played in semi-professional leagues. Can you prove that the Israeli league is not fully professional? ChrisTheDude 13:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Played in the top flight in Israel, fully notable. And yet again from the same nominator, a nomination that should perhaps not even be considered for deletion. And I must also add that I fully agree with fchds comment. ♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 00:31, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Since unfortunatelly some of you, insist for doing political comments in such talk page, I have to answer about politics first. WP:BIO says Politicians who have held international, national or statewide/provincewide office, and members and former members of a national, state or provincial legislatures. however there is a note However, this criterion ensures that our coverage of major political offices, incorporating all of the present and past holders of that office, will be complete regardless. So it means that it is regardless to include all the ministers. It doesn't mean being a minister, it is automatically notable. Especially for someone who is not legal minister but he is considered minister by only one country (Turkey) and is not recognized as a minister.

The basketball comparison is not relevant, as there may be vast differences between the top basketball league in a country and the top football league. said here someone. However here some claimed that WP:BIO by saying Competitors who have played or competed at the highest level in amateur sports means top league of a country so Yaniv Azran since he played in a top league of a country, must be kept. And I said for the same reason Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andreas Stylianou should have been kept as well since it satisfies that criteria. The article was deleted since it was accepted that, playing in top league of Cyprus does not mean notability. For what I understand according to ChrisTheDude, he considers him notable because the level of israeli league is notable. However, WP:BIO clearly says Competitors who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming and tennis are considered notable. Since Israel is not fully professional it can not be considered as notable. I ask the same question. Can you prove that the Israeli league is fully professional? User:KRBN 11:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.