Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yanda Airlines

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 00:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yanda Airlines[edit]

I can find no reference to this airline anywhere. There was an airline called Yanda Airlines some years ago, and it was an Australian airline with the IATA code of "YE". Doing a search it appears the article creator may have used original research from other sites, who are still linking "YE" to Yanda Airlines. There is no airline listed on the Mehrabad Airport website and searches of other databases (such as ICAO8585) show no such callsign existing. If we have Farsi speaking editors who can check sites such as [1], [2], [3], [4], etc to see if this could be another airline, but with a code of YE. Russavia ^Dialogue 00:36, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. -- Russavia ^Dialogue 00:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. -- Russavia ^Dialogue 00:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I really don't want to state my opinion as a delete right away but I am definitely leaning that way. I can find plenty of information about a "Yanda Airlines" in Australia that appears to be defunct but I can not find anything about this Iran carrier. But to help you the two digit code for Yanda might be ST per this link but I still am not sure. I will wait to see how this AFD progresses before going one way or another. -Marcusmax(speak) 00:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It's hard to vote keep if nobody can find proof of the existence of "Ye Olde Airlines" Mandsford (talk) 00:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment/Extremely weak keep not sure of the reliability of flightstats but this and this seem to show an operating flight and farecompare http://www.farecompare .com/ flights/Kish_Island-KIH/Bandar_Abbas-BND/market.html shows flight options. None of these are significant enough to build an article but at least appear to verify existence. We will probably need Farrsi language sources to find more. Sorry for the busted link, Farecompare is black listed but I'm familiar with the site and know it to be an aviation tool StarM 01:18, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I will be requesting that these be added to the blacklist, as they are not reliable. ST used to be the code for Yanda, then it was changed to YE. After they went bust the code was passed onto Norfolk Jet Express, and it looks like it has been passed onto another airline. Airline codes do get passed on when an airline goes bust, etc. For example, TE used to be TEAL, then Air New Zealand Domestic, then Lithuanian Airlines. TN used to be Trans Australia Airlines, then Australian Airlines, then Air Tahiti Nui. PA used to be Pan Am, then Florida Coastal Airlines. There may be an airline in Iran with the code "YE", but it most definitely is not "Yanda Airlines". Anyway, the existence of a code doesn't confer notability, multiple sources which discuss the article subject does, and this is sorely missing that. --Russavia ^Dialogue 02:39, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment not disagreeing with what you found re: Norfolk Jet Express, etc. but what I found was more than a code, THR Tehran YE 1222 Yanda Airlines 11:40 AM Scheduled TU5 a scheduled flight for 26 March 2009 so it appears unless flightstats is totally based on wrong information that there may be an operating flight. That said, I tried to back up the Kish flight from Tehran and could not. I'm an admin, but as I've already weighed in and am not sure if it's 100% confirmed this airline never existed, I'm not comfortable deleting yet. StarM 03:19, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Refer to Air Cambodia for an example. This type of rubbish is permitted to stay on WP, simply because there are sources out there, and it doesn't matter if the sources are wrong. I'm not having a go at you here, but rather the media, who couldn't tell Air China from China Airlines. You mentioned a flight on 26 March, here is the screenshot from OAG, which gives the name of the airline, along with its code. In the airline industry flights are referred to as YE1222, rather than Eram Airlines 1222. Bringing it back the flightstats website, OAG confirms that YJ belongs to AMC Airlines since 2008. Flightstats states that YJ belongs to "National Airlines" of South Africa; an airline which ceased operations in 2004; and along with this the logo belongs to National Airways Corporation, the domestic airline of New Zealand (and now part of Air New Zealand). The same thing is for code "NS" -- OAG correctly attributes this as belonging to "Northeastern Airlines" -- Flightstats states that it belongs to Caucasus Airlines; an airline which ceased operations 5 years ago. IATA codes are recycled as a matter of business, and this can cause some confusion, and it pisses me off more than you can imagine that we are allowing sites which are basically hobbyist site (Flightstats) to be used for inclusion of material into an encyclopaedia. Another example is Farecompare with this link for Selcon Airlines (unable to provide link due to it being on blacklist - to find go to website --> Travel Guide --> Airline Information --> S) which according to them has the code U9. Selcon did exist for a short time in Nigeria in 1993, but the U9 code has belonged for some time to Tatarstan Airlines; one can even see they use the Tatarstan logo, and provide all types of interesting factoids about this Selcon which according to them is based out of Kazan and Moscow. OAG on the other hand is a supplier to the industry itself, and it is required to have up-to-date information, unlike these other unprofessional "hobbyist" websites. --Russavia ^Dialogue 05:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a document from Qantas from 2002 which specifies what I stated above about Norfolk Jet Express. Someone who speaks Farsi and can do searches of the above sites and cao.ir (if they can even get it to load) is going to be needed. If nothing is found, it's not doing to do the project any harm in deleting an article which is incorrect. --Russavia ^Dialogue 02:45, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And it gets somewhat worse if one were to trust farecompare. As per http://www.farecompare. com/flights/Norfolk_Jet-YE/Tehran_Mehrabad_International-THR/Bandar_Abbas_Airport-BND/schedule.html there is a flight operated from Tehran to Bandar Abbas; flight YE 1217, which is operated by Norfolk Jet, but with a Yanda Airlines logo. Whilst farecompare is blacklisted, and rightly so, it may be worth listing flightstats.com also. Looking at the link report, I see it is linked at Dashoguz Airport, the link of which states there are no flights from Dashoguz, whilst there are flights with Turkmenistan Airlines; they say there are no flights as T5 isn't loaded into the GRS. This is then quite possibly another candidate for a blacklist? --Russavia ^Dialogue 06:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The company with the code "YE" is Eram Air as per [5] and [6] (that link likely will not work without a login). So can an admin delete this article (no redirect, as there was a Yanda Airlines in Australia which was notable). --Russavia ^Dialogue 03:06, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nominator's thorough investigation and lack of evidence of existence which makes notablity tough to establish. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for re-opening as I said above, it was a very weak keep, but I think more time is needed to look into the sources. I'm not saying you're wrong, you know a hell of a lot about airlines and the industry, I'm just saying more time wouldn't hurt in case there's information out there that we haven't found. Worse comes to worse, you're right and it closes as delete. I don't think anyone's going to allow the article to remain if there aren't reliable sources to establish existence and hopefully notability, and maybe Air Cambodia needs to go to, I haven't looked. I certainly wouldn't want it to remain if we can't find anything - I just want time to look for it. There was no reason to close early. I'll have a look to see what, if anything, I can find today. StarM 12:11, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This very well appears to be a hoax, or at least an airline that never got off the ground and fell apart in the planning stages. I believe the Australian Airline of the same name deserves this space more than this seemingly non-existent airline. -Marcusmax(speak) 21:53, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as I suspect somebody got the codes mixed up and assumed that the Iranian airline was the Australian airline by mistake, also note that an IATA code can belong to more than one operator at the same time (but not in the same part of the world!). MilborneOne (talk) 19:56, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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