Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wyn Matthews

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. I've changed my mind on this after reading the article again. It's a bit unclear where this stands per WP:BIO for athletes. However, what people appear to have missed is that the reference refers to this player being called up for the Welsh squad match, NOT the actual Wales team. A Welsh squad match would be where prospective players for that squad play each other in order to show whether they're good enough for the full team. Thus, currently fails WP:BIO. Black Kite 23:22, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wyn Matthews[edit]

Delete Not a notable biography. Thebluesharpdude (talk) 20:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions. —Eastmain (talk) 00:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. —Eastmain (talk) 00:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. He appears to be part of a team which won a British Isles championship. The article is unreferenced, though. --Eastmain (talk) 00:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Nothing in the article seems notable. Parent5446^{(Murder me for my actions)} 00:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I was able to add a reference, and I think being on the Wales national team is a proof of notability. --Eastmain (talk) 00:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete On the Welsh Lawn Bowling national team? I'm sorry Eastmain, but some Welsh lawn bowler isn't notable enough for Wikipedia. Shapiros10 (talk) 01:45, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I strongly disagree with Shapiros10. He's an athlete who competed at the top level of his sport. Lawn bowling is a well established sport. Pburka (talk) 02:04, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Where do we draw the line? Granting that lawn bowling is a well established sport (it's played at the Commonwealth Games), it's not really a very popular spectator sport. It's not like we're talking football or basketball here. If Matthews was a big star of the sport, the David Beckham of lawn bowling or whatever, then fine. But he's not, or if he is it's not shown in the article; he's just another good player, in a second-tier sport. Have to draw the line somewhere. Herostratus (talk) 05:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Most of the "notable athletes" who do have articles probably shouldn't (guys who played in a single cricket match in 1805, college Junior Varsity players, people who played first base for a single season in the minor leagues), and this is an athlete who is not quite notable in a sport that is at the threshold of itself being notable. Utgard Loki (talk) 13:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. He didn't just play at the highest level, he played on a team at the highest level which won a championship. Let's be cautious about WP:BIAS here. Bowls may not be popular in the US, but it's more widely played in Commonwealth nations. It was even a demonstration sport at the melbourne Olympics. He's clearly notable according to the current guidelines. If you want to change the guidelines this isn't the forum for it. Pburka (talk) 14:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I feel that it is incumbent upon me to point out that we do not, in fact, have large numbers of articles on "people who played first base for a single season in the minor leagues". As such, take the above editor's remarks with a grain of salt. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!)
Delete, sport is too small. Punkmorten (talk) 16:33, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, seems reasonably notable within the context of his sport. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 19:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think being on the Wales team is notable enough. Warrior4321^talkContribs 22:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly meets WP:N. Seems to be issues of Bias in this afd. -Djsasso (talk) 23:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep What does the popularity of the sport have to do with it? he meets the standard requirements for notability.DGG (talk) 02:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Utgard Loki. If we have players in Major League baseball who don't have articles, why lawn bowlers? Shapiros10 (talk) 22:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Have we ever deleted a Major League Baseball player? I highly doubt it. Besides, you've voted twice. Pburka (talk) 00:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Firstly, please stop talking about "lawn bowling". The sport is called "bowls". It's certainly popular in the UK - there are bowling greens in most local parks, as well as many bowling clubs, and it is frequently on TV. Many of the top players are from Australia, New Zealand and South Africa, so I'm sure that it's just as popular there, and it's also played in India and Pakistan. I think it's a pretty safe bet that there are more people in the world familiar with this sport than with baseball or American "football". Phil Bridger (talk) 22:58, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just saying, I have checked the WP current rosters of several MLB teams, and there are no articles for at least 10 players. Also, is bowls going to be in the Beijing Olympics? I think not. Shapiros10 (talk) 02:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.