Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Writers in Oxford

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The result was Merge as a week has suggested nothing else, the history is in the logs so anyone can access them for a merge (NAC). SwisterTwister talk 19:42, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Writers in Oxford[edit]

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Google finds no independent sources with substantial coverage (i.e., not passing mentions while covering another subject) of an organization named "writers in oxford". Apparently the Oxford Times regularly covers them, going by the footnotes, but otherwise they reference only one Amazon book page with a passing mention and one event listing on a local, affiliated website. Hence, fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. Largoplazo (talk) 12:23, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Largoplazo. Thanks for reviewing my article. (I hope I'm using this talk page correctly. I'm not used to it, so apologies if I'm doing it wrong.) I wonder if it's possible to look again at my article? The Oxford Literary Festival is a totally separate organisation of some repute - sponsored by the Financial Times - and reference number one shows WiO giving a talk at this year's event: http://oxfordliteraryfestival.org/literature-events/2016/april-06/writers-in-oxford . You're right that a lot of the references are passing mentions, but I included those only as ways of demonstrating that specific people were members, rather than as proof the organisation exists. Reference number two seems more than a passing mention, as the title says that it's about the 20th birthday of the group - http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/10059312.Happy_Birthday_to_writers__group_and_bookshop/ - and the article mentions that members include Philip Pullman, who is notable in his own right. Before starting the article, I checked for similar ones to see what I needed to do and came up with Norwich Writers' Circle and Hastings Writers' Group, for example, which seem to have less in the way of external sources. Is it possible to look at this again please, or do you have any suggestions for anything else I can do? I'm fairly new to Wikipedia, so would appreciate any advice you can give. Thanks! Tessthepuppy (talk) 13:18, 25 July 2016 (UTC) @Largoplazo:[reply]

Hi again. I've inserted a couple of links from the Society of Authors website, explaining what WiO is and mentioning a joint event between the two organisations. The Society of Authors has its own Wikipedia article, so hopefully this helps? Is there anything more I can do? Thanks for your assistance. @Largoplazo: Tessthepuppy (talk) 13:55, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:51, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:51, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:51, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If kept I wonder if it shouldn't be moved to Writers in Oxford (organisation), so as to make it clear that this is not some sort of Oxford subset of List of English writers? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:28, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Shawn. That sounds like a good idea. Tessthepuppy (talk) 17:10, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to Society of Authors. I wish it were otherwise, but I just can't find anything to show that this organization is ultimately notable per Wikipedia's guidelines, which can be pretty difficult to accomplish even for extremely mainstream organizations. The organization has ties to notable people, but that notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. It's a shame that mainstream culture doesn't pay more attentions to organizations like this, but there's not much that we can do on Wikipedia about that. Now a viable alternative is to include this in the article for Society of Authors as a subsection. The two organizations are separate, however there are enough ties here to where merging some of the data into a subsection isn't impossible, as it was started by members of SoA and they do some activities with them. I think that as long as the section emphasizes that it's an affiliated, separate group and not a branch of the organization itself. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:15, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Society of Authors, which presently has no mention of this organization. This will serve to improve the merge target article and make it more comprehensive. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:34, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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