Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Writer in the Dark

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ~ Amkgp 💬 17:32, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Writer in the Dark

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User MarioSoulTruthMan mentioned that this article fails all three factors for notability. I was the user who created and worked on this article. If this article does meet the AfD requirements, then it should be deleted. De88 (talk) 14:53, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you nominating this on behalf of MarioSoulTruthFan? What do you think about the subject's notability? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:56, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2020 September 2. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 15:05, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and procedural close. First of all, I don't think the article's primary author needed to nominate the page for deletion just because another editor said they should. Re: notability, I think this Good article is detailed enough that a merge to Melodrama would place undue weight on this song within the album article. Even though a lot of the sourcing for this article is from album reviews, I think GNG outweighs NSONGS the article should be kept. Also, for context, see Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Melodrama (Lorde album)/archive1. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:12, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It doesn't pass WP:NS since "Coverage of a song in the context of an album review does not establish notability." Moreover, it fails the three factors listed in the wikipage (charts, awards and covered by notable artists). Response to the above user, anyone, even the creator of the page, can nominate an article for deletion, if he nominated it is due to the fact he agrees with me. It wouldn't place any underweight as most of the information is already on the album article. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

article shows it hit the RMNZ chart so "Moreover, it fails the three factors listed in the wikipage (charts, awards and covered by notable artists)." ie. WP:NMUSIC is incorrect. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:24, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It was not at the time of nomintation. Moreover, charting doesn't mean notability. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:08, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

agree, but a bit of WP:BEFORE would not have gone amiss. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:12, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I can't take WP:NMUSIC as a sensible guideline – it would suggest there should not be an article on Symphony No. 5 (Beethoven) as a piece of music yet it would allow vast numbers of articles about recordings of it. The extract from this guideline quoted above is unsatisfactory as it will sometimes (as possibly in this case) lead to editorially unsatisfactory guidance. I would defer to WP:N but I think matters such as this should be sorted out on the relevant articles' talk pages and not at AFD. In any case, to have a red link for this song is not a sensible option. Thincat (talk) 12:13, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Enough sourced to satisfy GNG. Schwede 66 16:56, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The creator/nominator seems confused about our notability criteria. If a song has adequate independent reliable sources it is notable regardless of whether or not it charted, won awards or has been covered by other artists. Rlendog (talk) 23:05, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as above comments, enough there for WP:GNG. Think the original creator De88 has done a good job on the article. NZFC^(talk)^(cont) 22:03, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.