Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wretched (metal band)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. ansh 666 03:38, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wretched (metal band)

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Cannot find obvious sources, all the sources are primary. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 10:24, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 10:25, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:22, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~*Delete~~ - The links in the article are just window-dressing. Beyond the source from the label, routine announcements, and schedule listing, there is simply no WP:SIGCOV I could find in a search.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 08:21, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This will forever remain a shabby article but I will not argue against the presumption that notability exists in sources we cannot actually see.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 04:16, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. A reasonable amount of coverage found from multiple sources, but generally fairly brief items: Exclaim!, Decibel, Worcester Magazine, Allmusic, (again). Much coverage of metal bands tends to be in print sources that are not found online, so it seems likely more will exist (e.g. in Kerrang/Metal Hammer/Terrorizer etc,). One could also make an argument that four albums on Victory Records satisfies WP:NMUSIC criterion 5. --Michig (talk) 19:19, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:15, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: With Michig hoping that offline sources might exist, I'm giving this a third relist so that someone more familiar with such topics can check for such sources. Also, the WP:MUSIC#5 argument might warrant some more discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 08:43, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:BAND #5 - has released two albums on Victory Records. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 18:39, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep In addition to the WP:NBAND#5 argument posited by Lugnuts, the sources that Michig has found show significant coverage, though I am unsure whether those consist of reliable sources. I was considering erring on the side of caution here, but the probability of the SNG/SSG and multiple reviews found in and outside of the article push me over here. I'm not an expert here, so to some extent relying on Michig's note that 'much coverage of metal bands tends to be in print sources that are not found online, so it seems likely more will exist (e.g. in Kerrang/Metal Hammer/Terrorizer etc,)' (Italics not mine). Again unsure on reliability however. Analysis by more experts in this field would be definitely a big plus. J 947 ^{^{^(cm)}} 21:28, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep –Here are two separate entries from print version of Metal Hammer which corroborate Michig's thought that there may be more sources in print. 1 Thomas Strater: Wretched. Beyond the Gate. In: Metal Hammer. September 2010, S. 99. and 2. Thomas Strater: Wretched. Son of Perdition. In: Metal Hammer. Mai 2012, S. 105.. I don't have access to either, so I am not vetting the content, also both entries are from the version in dewiki. –Ammarpad (talk) 05:09, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.