Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WorldFest-Houston International Film Festival

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The result was keep. ST47 (talk) 03:17, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WorldFest-Houston International Film Festival

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Promotional. I've did some digging, as much as the fest promote itself as a world class festival, no one recognize it. Wikipedia should not be part of their PR effort. Viztor (talk) 11:30, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, it promotes itself by saying having famous "alumni", well anyone can bestow an award on some world class directors, but that doesn't make the award "world-class" Viztor (talk) 11:32, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How much time have you spent doing your digging? Today? FYI, this editor has been nominating articles for deletion, left, right and centre for some time now at an exponential pace, and has been given advice against this on their talkpage. I'm involved because they've nominated an article I created, a short Canadian film. One of their arguments was that its awards were not "world class" (whatever that means) and when I pointed out that one of them was from this festival, they began arguing that the festival itself is bogus, "hilarious", etc. Let me point out that I am well aware of the existence more or less fake or questionable film festivals--but that's a very recent phenomenon. It does not apply to a festival that has been running since 1968. I do not want to assume bad faith here, but it strikes me that the primary motivation to get this page deleted is to devalue the award of the film in the article they nominated for deletion mere days ago. It is certainly not done after a period of reasonable research and reflection. The editor's pattern of behaviour (frequent calls for deletion) may stem from bitterness over one or two of their own articles being deleted. It's hard to understand the call to delete this article out of the blue otherwise.ZarhanFastfire (talk) 18:57, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And then there's this:

WorldFest is one of the oldest and largest film & video competitions in the world, with more than 4,500 category entries received from 37 countries in 2006. Actually WorldFest is 12 Major film & video competitions in one event, unlike Cannes, Sundance and Toronto, which are just 2 competitions for shorts and features only. Because of our 12 major competitions and the 200+ sub-categories, WorldFest does give a lot of awards, but they are both earned and deserved. No awards are given in any category unless the scores from the juries are high enough to place for honors. Overall only 15-20% of the total category entries actually win an award at WorldFest. However, everyone attending the Grand Awards Gala wins an award, as we only invite the actual winners, which makes for a delightful and enjoyable evening, since there are no disappointed “nominees” that do not win anything. Those that do not win an award are informed by email or letters prior to the festival.^[1]

ZarhanFastfire (talk) 01:21, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "WorldFest History". worldfest.org. Retrieved 11 June 2019.

@ZarhanFastfire:Write long paragraph without an argument doesn't make the case stronger, inserting the official promo does not help at all, I've seen pictures of their event, It is pretty clear what they are doing. Questioning my experience in filming also does not make the case, which you seems to have made a habit of, ad hominem statements are not arguments. And calm down, plz. Viztor (talk) 01:36, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And assertions made without evidence are not well-constructed arguments either (What do these pictures you refer to show? Are you able to prove that the above statement by the Festival is false in some way?). I've merely stated facts, not made ad hominem attacks: you have been nominating many articles for deletion at the drop of a hat recently, many of them within hours of their creation, some with equivalent articles in other languages, and you have been told this on your talkpage by other editors; some you acknowledged, some you dismissed. Look, I don't want this to be personal any more than you do, and I grant that as it's the first time it's happened to me I certainly could be reacting more emotionally than I should. It does irritate me when someone dismisses another person's arguments as non-existent or does not acknowledge them at all. Seems counterproductive at best.ZarhanFastfire (talk) 03:01, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. 94rain ^Talk 11:34, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. 94rain ^Talk 11:35, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:26, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 09:43, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Yes, this article could use some improvement and expansion — but WorldFest Houston is a well-established real film festival that's been running since 1968, not one of those fly-by-night "buy yourself an award for PR purposes" outfits. Even I've heard of it before, and I'm a Canadian who can name just four other USian film festivals (Sundance, Frameline, Tribeca, Telluride) off the top of my head without consulting a list to refresh my middle-aged memory. It's also a film festival that gets international media coverage, and has had more than enough written about it in its 50 years to clear WP:GNG. And no, the article is not unduly advertorialized in tone, either. Sure, it could use some further expansion and some more references — but it's not an objectively non-notable festival just because the nominator hasn't heard of it. Bearcat (talk) 12:15, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep with extreme prejudice (in case that wasn't obvious from what I wrote above. @Viztor, here (and elsewhere) you seem to think you know a lot more about the world of film than you really do, or else you think you have a better grasp of material you read online (including WP policies) than you really do. Whenever you reply by dismissing another person's argument by saying "there is no argument" and offer none yourself in rebuttal when challenged on your own arguments, it means you are probably only seeing/hearing what you want to see/hear, and not genuinely engaging with the other person on any meaningful level. If you do not address this problem, you will repeat this pattern of failed nominations again and again until someone considers it to be disruptive. As I and others have suggested to you on your talk page, you need to slow down, and perhaps find something more positive to work on. Searching for monsters to destroy is by its nature dangerous. ZarhanFastfire (talk) 02:29, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- The nominator is invited to read this press release from ca. 2011, in full, and consider withdrawing the nomination. Or else explain how all those august bodies can still be involved in the festival and it still be "not a real festival". The reference to "alumni" in the article is actually a list of discoveries made by the festival, i.e., those people's careers started at the festival.ZarhanFastfire (talk) 06:01, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] "WorldFest History". worldfest.org. Retrieved 11 June 2019.

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