Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Lee (captain)

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The result was delete‎. Sourcing has been found to be insufficient Star Mississippi 03:11, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

William Lee (captain)[edit]

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Sources are all unviewable, but his accomplishments appear to be minor, with the possible exception of his memoirs. However, while the memoirs are in the Library of Congress, I don't see any notice of them. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:13, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Internet Archive has at least four of the book sources ([1], [2], [3], [4]). They are all merely citations to Lee's autobiography without analysis; i.e. no more than passing mentions. Jfire (talk) 03:08, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The article needs work, but there is sufficient information and several secondary sources that editors could use to clean it up. It took me only a few minutes to add links to existing articles about vessels. Turning the list into text with inline sources would not be hard. The article could be of interest to genealogists, and editors working on the history of Georgia during the Revolution. Editors with those interests might well be able to add to the article. A deleted article cannot grow; a cleaned-up article might well improve further.Acad Ronin (talk) 22:34, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, England, Florida, Georgia (U.S. state), New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:24, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:25, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Simply adding links to ships that have articles doesn't help establish his notability. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:54, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe that I said that the links provided notability. My perhaps too subtle point was that it would not take much effort to turn this into a well-structured stub that might grow in time. I have seen stubs gain from accretions by genealogists, local historians, and people with interests I could not have imagined.Acad Ronin (talk) 02:15, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Acad Ronin, I hear what you're saying but to keep this article, we need actual refs that establish notability now. Do you have them? If not, but you're sure you can come up with them, perhaps the best answer is to "draftify" this article and either put it in draft space or in your user space (as a subpage).

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 02:33, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep -- This is a badly structured article on a person of minor importance, but the existence of an autobiography may be enough to merit retention. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:36, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Autobiographies are not "independent sources" and therefore cannot be use to establish notability, according to our notability guideline.

-A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 02:40, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:44, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - not notable. If someone comes up with references that satisfy WP:GNG (general notability guideline) and WP:BIO (notability guideline for individuals), please ping me.

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 02:40, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no one has provided sources with WP:SIGCOV of the man yet. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:58, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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