Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Clark (martial artist)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Fritzpoll (talk) 20:31, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William Clark (martial artist)[edit]

Fails WP:BIO. SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I can't find enough sources to establish notability. This search: [1] yields mostly information on other "Willam Clark"s. Only two hits in association with Karate America: [2].Cazort (talk) 20:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Although I agree with the sentiment to delete (per above), I find your nomination to be incomplete and not terribly constructive or helpful. Merely asserting that a person "fails WP:BIO" is meaningless: this is something that needs to be demonstrated. I would strongly encourage editors to provide more detailed reasoning when nominating articles, demonstrating that you have "done your homework". Articles are nominated sloppily for deletion every day, and these nominations waste editors time and sometimes even delete articles that should not be deleted. If you have done the background searches to establish whether or not this person really is notable, then by all means, SHARE this information with us, show us your searches, what they come up with. Thanks! Cazort (talk) 20:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 21:13, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the claim of being PKA Fighter of the Year seems to hold up per gsearch, and also a minor mag. cover [3]; this is a significant claim of notability. JJL (talk) 23:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That source is not independent--it's a self-published source, Karate America's own website, which has an obvious interest in promoting him. Do you have any independent sources? Cazort (talk) 04:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BTW many of the google hits verifying the PKA fighter of the year award are actually pulling mirrors of this wikipedia article...and still others are self-published sources. It's obviously true that he won it--but does that award alone make someone notable? I can't find any detailed coverage in anything that seems to come close to the standards of WP:RS. I would actually like to save this page (like others) but we can't rely on self-published sources. Cazort (talk) 04:32, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Lack of reliable sources. Niteshift36 (talk) 05:49, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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