Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Whiteside, Northumberland

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The result was redirect to Whiteside. Unanimous consensus. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades^Godric 08:47, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Whiteside, Northumberland

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No evidence Whiteside is anything more than a bunch of buildings, and is certainly not a village Nilf anion (talk) 02:54, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect, probably to disambiguation page Whiteside, if not to Carrycoats (was "Keep, tentatively.") Call it an unincorporated community or a location instead, if a village in England must be a legally incorporated entity. Perhaps it is a former village. It is, anyhow, a place where people have lived and have been born e.g. these Find-a-grave mentions of 1851 census era and perhaps die. It is a location in Google maps. In satellite view, yes, there is a group of buildings, perhaps a farm complex? Searching yields mention here in Kelly's Handbook to the Titled, Landed & Official Classes as a location or estate or something associated with Thomas Sample, as are Bothal Castle and Morpeth. Sure, edit the article or tag it for improvement. --do ncr am 21:45, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It is listed in List of United Kingdom locations and in worklist page in User:Rich Farmbrough's userspace, which links to this geograph.org.uk map of it. --do ncr am 21:58, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Are individual farms notable? That's all Whiteside is, no different or more interesting than any of half a dozen others in its immediate area. With some of the neighbours, at least they are listed buildings - but that's support for a claim that Carrycoats Hall is a notable building, not a settlement. In contrast, Whitesides doesn't have any historic building designations.--Nilf anion (talk) 12:16, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I updated my "!vote" to "Redirect" as there seems to be a suitable target (see my comment below), and I choose "redirect" rather than "merge" because there isn't actually any material to merge (besides the assertion that Whiteside is a village, which seems not to be the case). --do ncr am 20:56, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to the appropriate civil parish article, as normally happens with hamlets or lost settlements.Charles (talk) 10:20, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with that is there are at least two other Whitesides in Northumberland (in Walton and in Thirwall), in addition to this one near Birtley - which are also farms.--Nilf anion (talk) 12:16, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It can redirect to Carrycoats for now, which will mention Whitesides and I will there mention the existence of others. The redirect could be changed to a disambiguation page if/when there is coverage of the others at other articles. --do ncr am 20:56, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~Redirect - this location is a non-notable farm and I don't think a redirect or disambiguation is necessary for every named farm. Census records are detailed enough that farms are often mentioned as birth places, but that doesn't make it notable. It also shows up on OS maps[1], which also doesn't make it notable. For a bit more clarity about what this is, here is a brief description of the Carrycoat Estate mentioning Whiteside: [2]. Smmurphy^(Talk) 18:57, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Smmurphy's reference (to what is in effect a "for sale" listing?) provides characterization of Whiteside as being one of several parts of Carrycoats Estate (currently a redlink) which comprised the whole township of Carrycoats (currently a redlink) and included Carrycoats Hall (currently a redlink). Carrycoats Hall is a listed building (see HistoricEngland entry). I hope we could agree that the whole is notable for an article, which I personally would tend to want to place at Carrycoats. And that this AFD could be concluded with a redirect to that. :) I may start a draft at Draft:Carrycoats. --do ncr am 20:21, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Other editors, please do feel welcome to edit at the drafted article! Carrycoats is sourced as being a historic township there, so I am reasonably certain this can stand as a Wikipedia article. --do ncr am 20:56, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Redirecting to Carrycoats doesn't deal with the issue Nilfanion brought up that there is a Whiteside in Haltwhistle and Whalton (and a Whiteside Wood in Riding Mill). I think a disambiguation to Haltwhistle, Whalton, Thockrington/Carrycoats, and maybe Riding Mill makes more sense than a straight redirect. Smmurphy^(Talk) 21:14, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, how about redirecting to Whiteside disambiguation page and adding info to there. I don't think a separate Whiteside, Northumberland disambiguation page is needed. Redirecting to Carrycoats, now in mainspace, is also feasible now.

By the way, the "Whiteside, Northumberland" in Google maps, which looks like a farm, turns out to be a different Whiteside near Haltwhistle, 24 miles by roads away from the Whiteside Farm within Carrycoats (very close to the open field that is the location of the supposed village in the article, according to its coordinates in the article). Yes I see there are other "Whiteside Farm" entries within Google maps, too. --do ncr am 22:20, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Whiteside sounds correct to me. Smmurphy^(Talk) 22:47, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:54, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:54, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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