Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/When I'm Alone I Cry

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn and no outstanding delete !votes. (non-admin closure) Sam Sailor ^Talk! 14:56, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When I'm Alone I Cry

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It looks like this album was never notable by Wikipedia standards— the article would need references to multiple reliable independent sources discussing the work non-trivially in order for us to retain it. Currently it has no sources at all, and a cursory search of it on the Internet only turned up evidence of its existence, not evidence of its notability. KDS4444 (talk) 20:24, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Marvin Gaye was one of the most important R&B / soul musical artists of the 1960s-80s - on a par with, say, Ray Charles, Aretha Franklin, Stevie Wonder, James Brown - and I would suggest that all of his albums are inherently notable. This is admittedly one of his more obscure early albums, but is still discussed in multiple reliable independent sources, including Allmusic, David Ritz's Divided Soul, Icons of R&B and Soul, Dyson's Mercy Mercy Me... as well as blogs like this. The article needs to be improved using references like these - but it is still certainly notable. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:51, 20 July 2016 (UTC) PS: I've now slightly expanded the article, with refs. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:54, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep According to Google Books, additional material can be found in Bill Dahl's Motown: The Golden Years. I'm sure there are off-line sources as well, considering that the album was released in 1964. — MShabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 10:52, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment response on those Hmmm... but if we look at existence does not equal notability and notability is not inherited, maybe those things don't hold enough sway. That sources can be found easily on Allmusic.com demonstrates only the former-- Allmusic is a record of everything (per its name) while Wikipedia is a record of what's notable; that Marvin Gaye created the album is interesting, but I don't feel this equates to any inherent notability... Do you? Thoughts on that and those? KDS4444 (talk) 05:27, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The independent reliable sources provided here, in which the album is specifically discussed, clearly demonstrate that the album satisfies WP:NALBUM. Marvin Gaye is an extremely notable musician, and all of his albums should in my view have separate articles (per WP:INHERITED, "the notability guidelines, for... music, do allow for inherited notability in certain circumstances"). Incidentally, it is demonstrably untrue that Allmusic articles cover "everything" - while it is a useful and sometimes quite reliable source, in some genres WP is far more comprehensive and accurate in its coverage. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, but what I am reading at WP:NALBUMS says, "That an album is an officially released recording by a notable musician or ensemble is not by itself reason for a standalone article." And while I can see the sentence you are referring to in WP:INHERITED regarding music, I couldn't seem to find a part of WP:NMUSIC which clarifies what those circumstances might be (can you?). Asserting that sources "must exist" doesn't carry us very far either WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES— this article requires more than intuition to justify retaining it, it requires evidence of being the subject of multiple non-trivial discussions in reliable independent sources. If these are readily available, can someone show me one rather than just asserting their existence (and do so without using the word "clearly", which couldn't be less true: if it were so clear, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion, no??)? KDS4444 (talk) 09:10, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The links given above show, besides Allmusic, four published books (three available online) which discuss the album. That is ample demonstration of notability. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:45, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:45, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:45, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:47, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I agree with Ghmyrtle's analysis, and the article has been improved significantly. Two of the books mentioned above include significant coverage of the album. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:28, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I withdraw my nomination KDS4444 (talk) 23:24, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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