Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Weston Christian College

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The result was delete. j⚛e decker ^talk 14:46, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Weston Christian College[edit]

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Failed PROD on technicality. Organisation appears to be no longer functional but it is highly debatable whether it ever met the criteria for WP:GNG, as there do not appear to be any ghits out-of-universe, the article conveys no information beyond what would be found on an organisation's own website, created by a WP:SPA. Baldy Bill (sharpen the razor|see my reflection) 23:11, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I am unable to find any credible evidence that this organization exists or ever did. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:01, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:17, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:17, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

While the deprodder is correct that "notability is not temporary", what he failed to take into account is that this article as written never actually established any notability in the first place, due to the lack of any reliable sourcing — and even more importantly, its existence or lack thereof isn't even verifiable as things currently stand. No prejudice against future recreation in the unlikely event that somebody can actually create a substantive, properly sourced article about this purported "degree-granting institution", but this version absolutely has to be deleted. Bearcat (talk) 00:38, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete [1] shows:

Secretary of State ID: C2365203

Incorporation Date: 10/18/2001

Franchise Tax Board Suspension 09/01/2009

No reason to doubt that the school was a degree granting institution. Article fails WP:V and the topic fails WP:N. Unscintillating (talk) 01:40, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Actually the circumstantial evidence that the school never really existed is pretty compelling. All those items show is that someone was at least thinking about creating a college, nothing more. The complete absence of any other information on the web strongly suggests that the school never actually got off the ground. Of course that's not irrefutable evidence. But it is very strong evidence. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:28, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Without you showing your searches, other editors have no way of knowing what you are or are not finding. Unscintillating (talk) 01:29, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Let's not get into debating whether the school ever really existed or not. It's true that without good sourcing we can't actually prove that it ever did exist, but without a source which explicitly states that it didn't exist we can't actually prove your theory either. So let's just stick to the fact that we can't find any good sources about it — a fact which blows it out of the water regardless of whether it existed or not — instead of wasting our time speculating about why that's the case. (A propos of nothing, you did notice that Unscintillating agreed with you and me both that the article should be deleted, right?) Bearcat (talk) 04:23, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 13:51, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete It does not appear to exist. Frmorrison (talk) 21:14, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There are many topics covered in the encyclopedia that don't exist. Unscintillating (talk) 01:29, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Yes, somebody formed a corporation. That's hardly the same thing as operating a college. According to the IRS, the corporation is not registered with them, has no physical address (just "Ripon, California"), and "may no longer exist." They incorporated in 2001; the last time they filed a financial report with the IRS was in 2003, when they showed income of (ready?) $13,300.[2] Anybody believe they were ever an actual degree granting institution, with that kind of budget? Anyone? --MelanieN (talk) 01:06, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sarcasm? Is that what is being taught to leaders in society now on the peninsula? That is more money than millions of Wikipedia editors make. That same link you provided also shows that Form 990's are available for 2004, 2005, and 2006; which makes for a good correlation with the dates that web.archive.org provides for snapshots of the school's website. Unscintillating (talk) 02:34, 24 July 2014 (UTC

How much money people make is irrelevant. The point is that you could not operate even a tiny college on this kind of budget. You couldn't rent space, you couldn't hire a single instructor. I really don't understand why you are arguing so much about this subject after you !voted delete. What is your point exactly? MelanieN (talk) 16:16, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do you support good workmanship at AfDs, even when the topic is wp:non-notable? In your last post, your first sentence states that salaries are irrelevant, then the third sentence implies that non-zero salaries are required. If you recall, City Seminary of Sacramento is a school physically located in a church. Unscintillating (talk) 13:15, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Bearcat and think we are perhaps splitting legal hairs here. While I do think that the circumstantial evidence strongly suggests that this school never got off the ground, it's a moot point. As of this post all of the comments and !votes agree that the subject of the article fails basic tests for notability including V and should be deleted. I see little to be gained by debating a point that is irrelevant to the end result of this AfD and cannot be conclusively proven one way or another with available sources. May I respectfully suggest we move on? -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:33, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -- I tried to look at the college website, and it is a broken link. I tried to search for another without success. It may exist or have existed, but was probably very small and now defunct. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:33, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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