Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Westland High School (Galloway, Ohio)

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The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:46, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Westland High School (Galloway, Ohio)

Article does not state any reason for notability. Non-notable high school. Man It's So Loud In Here 01:02, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think that all high schools are notable. John
Delete. I bet this was someone's computer class project. Non-notable. Renee 01:10, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep All high schools are notable. MarsRover —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 02:20, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep All Highschools have been classed as inherently notable, as long as they can be proved to not be a hoax. Fosnez 02:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment "All" high schools are not notable, the policy is to err on the side of keep with High Schools. With grade schools the assumption is "not notable" without a very good reason. Fee Fi Foe Fum 03:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I was trying to find this link before, sorry it took so long. Here are the arguments that make all high schools notable Fosnez 03:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not "all"; read your own link, which by the way is not Wikipedia policy, but some user's page. Fee Fi Foe Fum 04:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well yes I know not all.. but a good percent of them. Fosnez 04:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Fosnez, and Fee Fi Foe Fum, there have been repeated failed attempts to build consensus on a school notability guideline, but there isn't one. It is best to cite WP:OUTCOMES that high schools are generally accepted as notable. It is probably correct to say that practice is to err on the side of keep, but notability is at best a guideline, not a policy. --Dhartung | Talk 08:53, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I, too, made the mistake of nominating a High School article. WP:OUTCOMES#Education states that high schools are generally accepted as notable. J-ſtan^Talk_Contribs 03:53, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - it's a high school, according to the article. Trollderella 04:13, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and this high school is clearly a Keep; been around, has the usual large number of students. Fee Fi Foe Fum 04:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It's a high school, and large and old enough to be otherwise notable. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 04:55, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - needs a good rewrite. Though a public school isn't a subject of advertising, it still reads like one, in the lines "available programs include". Zchris87v —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 06:04, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non notable, appears to be the efforts of someone's homework AnObviousSockpuppet 07:45, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, but rewrite to eliminate the schoolcruft (e.g. school song lyrics). Why anyone thinks that's encyclopedic is beyond me. At least it doesn't have a mission statement. --Dhartung | Talk 08:51, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Relegate from wikipedia until homework is done No. Claim. To. Notability. What. So. Ever. (And. A. Comment: What is it with schools and wikipedia? Generally, corporations, websites, people have the burden of proof to establish their notoriety. Not so with schools: here it seems the other way around, a school has to be proven so small and insignificant as not to be included in wikipedia. I think this is the result of Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias, the fact that a disproportionate fraction of wikipedia editors are high school pupils. By not having the same standards for schools as for other things, it leads to an slackening in other areas: "Hey, if Bev High has an article, surely the Peach-Pit should have one too, since we spend even more time there than at school?" As far as I understand, this is not how it should be, at least if we go by the spirit shown in Wikipedia:Schools/March 2007) --Victor falk 11:10, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment My understanding as to why schools are different is that if we encourage the students of those schools to expand their articles, we are training up an entire generation of editors. Fosnez 12:06, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As the nominator I apologize for not knowing the appropriate policy as regards to schools, I would withdraw the nom but I don't think thats how it works. I have to say that the policy that all schools are notable is totally asinine in my opinion. While it may encourage the youth to participate, it leads to a lot of sub-par crufty unsourced articles on non-notable topics in the main namespace. Man It's So Loud In Here 16:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment For what it's worth, I never heard of that reasoning, that it encourages youth to edit, for the reason High Schools are notable. The most common arguement I've heard was more to the fact that a high school is a significant institution within a community effecting large numbers of residents, therefore being notable. That may not be articulated as well as others, but that's the concept that leads me to support keeping.--Cube lurker 16:56, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:OUTCOMES. It is in need of a cleanup/expansion though.--Cube lurker 14:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. OUTCOMES isn't policy. CRGreathouse (t | c) 17:53, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is another non notable high school that will likely stay and will probably not be improved significantly. More time will be spent on this Afd than will go into the article. --Stormbay 20:16, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is a double standard that makes school articles notable when the equivalent quality of article about a coffee shop that is an institution in a community and affects large numbers of people would never make it past speedy. We need more educators commenting on the high school Afds to give their take on what makes a school notable. In my opinion, it takes more than its existence to reach notability. --Stormbay 03:39, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, not per WP:OUTCOMES or any other favorite essay you may have, but because it passes WP:N as a notable educational institution. Think Mzoli's. Remember that? Burntsauce 23:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I like where this thread is going..... Fosnez 08:32, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep — Wow, it's actually been a while since we've had one of these. Lacking a WP consensus on High School notability, I am using my own criteria. — RJH (talk) 16:51, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the comments above, appears to be notable enough to include. RFerreira 00:20, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the numerous well put arguments above and also because of this suggestion. High schools have an incredibly notable impact on their thousands of students throughout the years. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:51, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
User:Xoloz/Schools provides some history and one person's view of this long-standing schism on Wikipedia.--chaser - t 19:39, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for reasons provided at User:Silensor/Schools. Should be developed further. Silensor 05:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - notable institution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikidemo (talk • contribs) 13:48, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as nn school. Eusebeus 05:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.