Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Western Pennsylvania Professional Football Circuit

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The result was no consensus‎. Stifle (talk) 09:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Western Pennsylvania Professional Football Circuit

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WP:OR / WP:MADEUP coinage. I find no evidence of the term "Western Pennsylvania Professional Football Circuit" existing prior to this article's creation in 2012; every source that has used it has come afterward. Even in post-2012 material I see no WP:SIGCOV in sources that clearly qualify as WP:RS. The "circuit" is not mentioned in any of the article's references except for RetroSeasons (which postdates the WP article by several years and on one of its pages copies almost verbatim from it). One might agree or disagree that the early independent teams of western PA loosely constituted a "circuit", but it's not for Wikipedia to make up a capitalized name for it and treat it as an established concept. This isn't a case like the Ohio League, which, while not a league in any strict or formal sense, is attested in its own time and by historians. T. Cadwallader Phloog (talk) 23:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, American football, and Pennsylvania. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The nomination appears to be flawed as the nominator is taking issue with the title of the page, rather than the content. This is a WP:SURMOUNTABLE problem. Article can be moved to a more appropriate title if desired. The content of the article satisfies GNG, so the article should be kept at this or another title. Frank Anchor 14:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the content, too, treats the "circuit" as a real (albeit loosely defined) thing that "operated from 1890 to approximately 1940", had its own championships, and lived on as the W. Pa. Senior Indep. Football Conference -- all apparently OR claims. The article could perhaps be rewritten as an article about a related but somewhat different subject -- the early history of professional football in Western Pennsylvania -- and be titled accordingly, but the content as it stands now relates to an OR concept. T. Cadwallader Phloog (talk) 17:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.