Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wenatchee Valley Mall

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. WjBscribe 04:31, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wenatchee Valley Mall

Unsourced article about this mall, about which there appears to be nothing special, and seems to fail WP:N. This a pathetic stub since November 2006, with little hope of expansion for want of sources. 159 unique Ghits, most are directory listings of chains who list having a store there, property agents' listings, and so far nothing which really indicates the mall is known at all outside the local community of 5,757 population. Ohconfucius 03:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep unless we're going to AfD everything else in Category:United States mall stubs. This doesn't seem any more or less notable than most of those. Dppowell 03:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment please see WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Ohconfucius 04:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment That's an essay, not a policy. It merely reflects some opinions of its authors. --Cyrus Andiron 12:29, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Rebecca 04:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Dppowell. What makes this one any less notabe than the other 342 malls in the category? --Cyrus Andiron 12:33, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Just because a mall only has x amount of GHits doesn't mean it's non-notable. Fort Saginaw Mall hardly has any GHits, but the few webpages that do mention that mall give valuable, non-trivial mentions. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Actions • Words)))} 12:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete. This article doesn't even assert notability, none of the above comments supply any sources for notability, the article has no reliable sources, fails WP:N, and fails WP:NOT#DIR. Wikipedia is not a mall directory. Failing so many policies and guidelines, I don't understand how an argument can be made for inclusion. Arkyan  ^(talk) 15:14, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I have added several reliable sources to this article -- it's still kinda stub class, but now it should at least pass WP:RS; furthermore, it's no longer a directory page.Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Actions • Words)))} 21:59, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Added the GLA to the article. Too small to be considered a regional mall, and no other claims to notability. See also Shopping mall and the proposed notability guideline (labelled "rejected") WP:MALL where there was discussion of factors making a mall notable or not. Edison 16:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does not assert notability. Don't need to look any further when it fails this test. Dimitrii 16:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I have added much more information to this article, as well as many sources. It may be a dinky mall, but it's obviously faring well, and it serves a fairly wide market. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Actions • Words)))} 18:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete. Where is the assertion of notability? Yes it exists but what else? Vegaswikian 21:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the additions by User:TenPoundHammer, including numerous sources (see [1]). For those desiring an assertion of notability, I think "Wenatchee Valley Mall is the only mall within an 80-mile radius of East Wenatchee, and thus serves a population of over 200,000 people" qualifies as one. -- Black Falcon ^(Talk) 09:10, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment, although fully sourced thanks to good work by TenPoundHammer, I still have major reservations about notability of the mall. Most of the links/refs posted are either 1/very local, 2/for property agents marketing the property, 3/press release of companies which have set up store, so quality of sources and notability is still insufficient to bring this up to the standards we are accustomed to seeing on wikipedia. Ohconfucius 04:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - The fact that the sources are local didn't/doesn't bother me, but the other two points you raise did/do. It's obvious that notability is barely met, but I base my recommendation to keep primarily on these three sources. It's not the among the most notable malls, of course, but I'd rather err on the side of caution for now. After all, the sources noted in the article are only those available online ... there are likely more print sources out there. -- Black Falcon ^(Talk) 04:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - An important large mall in its region and the article is very referenced. --Oakshade 21:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, it's definitely not a large mall, but I think that notability is met at least somewhat. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Actions • Words)))} 02:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.