Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wayne Gretzky Award

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The result was redirect to Wayne Gretzky#Legacy. (non-admin closure) Cavarrone 10:25, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wayne Gretzky Award[edit]

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Non-notable sports trophy Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:19, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I too thought of it is a non-notable sports trophy in the beginning, even misinterpreted with Wayne Gretzky 99 Award, but after @GLG GLG:'s explanation here only, I have come to know Wayne Gretzky Award is different than the Wayne Gretzky 99 Award.

I may have not sourced properly but that doesn't mean that is not notable.

Please check the Google News above, Wayne Gretzky Award is mentioned at least 12 different news articles currently.Lake Ontario Wind (talk) 17:23, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:44, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:44, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: As I'm sure everyone's aware, it's not remotely enough for a subject to receive casual mention in news sources. It must receive "significant coverage" in multiple reliable sources, which discuss the subject in significant detail, as per the GNG. Each and every one of that handful of news articles mentions it in passing only, and furthermore the articles mention several different awards by the same name, including one that's purely hypothetical. Indeed, Lake Ontario Wind is correct in stating that a subject is not non-notable simply because the article's sourcing is deficient ... but contrarily, an article cannot be sustained for a subject without proper sourcing. Ravenswing 13:43, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Ravenswing:, I checked Wayne Gretzky Trophy and Wayne Gretzky 99 Award; they too are not passing the GNG according to your suggestion. Can I request deletion for those articles as well and create a new page List of Awards and Trophies named after Wayne Gretzky and merge all these articles together?Lake Ontario Wind (talk) 15:41, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You can certainly file AfDs on them if you wish -- or redirect them to the appropriate league pages -- but it strikes me that we don't need an article about all such awards; that wouldn't be notable either. All this merits is something like a single sentence in Gretzky's own article. Ravenswing 01:29, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am bit confused of your suggestion, in that case, most of the articles here will qualify for a redirect.Lake Ontario Wind (talk) 03:44, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete It is not even the most prominent award called the "Wayne Gretzky Award", and the author does not even understand who the award is given to while trying to argue that it is notable. Perhaps use your sandbox, develop an understanding of who the winners are, and then see if there is any real coverage outside of small local Edmonton publications.18abruce (talk) 19:58, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I am suspicious now that you meant to make an article about the even more obscure trophy that is given to a member of the Greater Toronto Hockey League's Toronto Nationals yearly, which makes it utterly ridiculous to argue for notability.18abruce (talk) 20:41, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How can a league which was founded in 1911, award obscure trophies? Have you got any WP:RS to support your claim or is it your own research?Lake Ontario Wind (talk) 03:44, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If, in fact. you are trying to make the article about the award that Velan Nandhakumaran won, then the league does not award it at all. Only one team, only to its players. Look at the trophy in the picture, and what the trophy says. None of the sources I found in a google search were about this award, they were about the US Hall of Fame, or the Edmonton youth trophy. I apologize if using "utterly ridiculous" was offensive in any way, or if I am mistaken in what the article was meant to be about.18abruce (talk) 09:34, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Err. Are you genuinely asserting that awards issued by an entity that's been around over a century are notable by that fact alone? Mm, that'd mean that the awards given by my grandfather's yacht club (which was founded in the 1890s) are notable. Obviously, Wikipedia doesn't work that way, so let me reiterate: the definition of notability is fundamentally rooted in the GNG, and requires that a subject receive substantial coverage in multiple reliable sources. The league could've been around for a thousand years, and its awards wouldn't be automatically notable without it. Ravenswing 12:06, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Now I know what the "Wayne Gretzky Award" is all about and from where Velan Nandhakumaran has got it. My confusion earlier was with the "Wayne Gretzky Award" and the "Wayne Gretzky 99 Award"; now it seems there are varieties of "Wayne Gretzky Award" itself. I think as @Ravenswing: suggested I want to redirect Wayne Gretzky Award to legacy section of Wayne Gretzky with the sentence, "......Wayne Gretzky Award is awarded with similar names by number of entities including United States Hockey Hall of Fame, Edmonton Youth Trophy and Toronto Nationals of the GTHL".Lake Ontario Wind (talk) 04:03, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification needed:

It seems Toronto Nationals (hockey) is defunct, but there is a website shows they are active. Can some one clarify on this regard?Lake Ontario Wind (talk) 14:25, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Lake Ontario Wind: The Junior ice hockey level Nationals are defunct, however, the Minor hockey level teams are still active. Apparently same organization, different teams, and also quite common still. Many organizations have the same name for all their teams (U8, U12, U18, etc) and will sometimes host Junior level teams. Minor/midget level hockey teams have no inherent notability. Yosemiter (talk) 19:17, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Yosemiter:Thanks for the clarification, I will discuss with you later on whether we could Move the pages to more appropriate names.Lake Ontario Wind (talk) 03:04, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Wayne Gretzky#Legacy, which mentions the award. Not notable, but a plausible search term, and a mention in the Gretzky article plus a redirect should be sufficient. Smartyllama (talk) 17:39, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect (preserving the edit history) per Smartyllama. I found multiple articles in assorted news media around Canada covering the minor league award as well as some of the other similarly named awards, but not enough to create a need for a separate article. --Arxiloxos (talk) 19:17, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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