Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Walker Baylor

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:36, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Walker Baylor[edit]

[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

I don't see how Walker Baylor is notable. My redirect to his son Robert Emmett Bledsoe Baylor was reverted, so AfD can decide. Apart from the obituary, all sources seem to refer to him as "the father of", not about him personally, and just spend one line on him: e.g. this book, this book, or this book. Even this book, a detailed account of his military unit, gives only some small bits of information, and doesn't support the claim that he was a major of the unit (but only a captain). As it is a self-published book (authorhouse.com), it doesn't really count as a reliable source anyway. Fram (talk) 07:29, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, and Kentucky. Fram (talk) 07:29, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I fail to see what is notable about this chap. He served in a war as a junior officer and was wounded. No high rank, no high-level decorations, no key role in a battle or contribution to military operational art etc. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:54, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No credible claim of notability. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 10:14, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The subject is notable for commanding Washington's Life Guard at either Germantown or Brandywine, where he was wounded while holding the colors. This is mentioned in all the sources that speak of him. I've found one obituary written in the year of his death, which focusses solely on the subject. There are probably others, just not on Newspapers.com. Also, this history of the Baylor family has information on the two likenesses of him which are known to exist and about which more may have been written. One of them was featured in a recent museum exhibition. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 10:32, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- " One of them was featured in a recent museum exhibition"? That's not supported by that source, any other evidence for this? "Probably others" and "more may have been written" is speculation, not something we can base an AfD on, and it seems not very likely that these family portraits have been the subject of much attention anyway. The claim that he was a major is only sourced to an inscription on a photograph it seems. We don't know where he was wounded, never mind while supposedly "holding the colors" (source?), and "this" is not "mentioned in all the sources that speak of him", neither the sources I gave above nor the family history or the Virginia Magazine[1] mention him commanding the Life Guard, and this pdf which mentions his wound doesn't mention the Life Guards, Washington or "holding the colors" either. So it is rather strange that the sources which briefly mention him, don't mention the one thing he is supposedly notable for. Fram (talk) 11:35, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  Internet archive shows multiple references to him commanding the life guards. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 12:53, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - A "632" results list of many copyright registration cards, real estate tax list archives, ... Not helpful. Fram (talk) 13:19, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe scroll more than twice, and you'll see what else is there. Also, I've added information on the subject's life in Kentucky after the war from several sources. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 13:32, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    
    See also this source, which besides describing some of his activities in Kentucky, also mentions another obituary in the Kentucky Gazette "with a short sketch of his revolutionary War services as head of a troop of cavalry." 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 13:58, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Peacemaker and Hawkeye, at least from a military perspective. Intothat darkness 15:22, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, do not see how he is notable for stand-alone article. Not major medals and states, he "may have" obtained the rank of Major (so not a General officer). Too much speculation. Kierzek (talk) 16:57, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -- None of his activities seems to me to be quite enough to be notable. Only a captain; a local judge; a member of the electoral college. I am not saying that any of it is not true, just NN. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:50, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - unfortunately, as I found the article interesting. Even if WP:NSOLDIER hadn't been deprecated, they would not have passed that, and there's simply not enough in-depth coverage about them to meet WP:GNG. Fram's source assessment is spot on.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:33, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.