Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wales Centre for Health

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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 11:48, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wales Centre for Health

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This short-lived agency only existed for four years (2005-2009). No sources are cited other than the laws that governed it. This article fails WP:ORGSIG since there is no outside coverage of it. DirtyHarry991 (talk) 06:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Health and fitness, United Kingdom, and Wales. DirtyHarry991 (talk) 06:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Institutions established by statute are generally notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:46, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:INHERITED, unless there is a policy related to agencies such as this. Industrial Insect (talk) 19:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:INHERITED clearly does not apply here. Inherited from what? -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:38, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Something is not inherently notable because of something else. "Institutions established by statute are generally notable" would be a claim of inherit notability. Industrial Insect (talk) 14:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're referring to inherent notability, not inherited notability! Different things. To reiterate, in general we have kept organisations, institutions and departments created by statute. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies for mixing up the essay and policy. To clarify, I'm not advocating for deletion, I haven't done any research yet. However, as of yet, I agree with the nom that Wikipedia:ORGSIG has not been passed. Industrial Insect (talk) 16:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 06:42, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:41, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

●Delete- The only 2 references listed are from the same website, one of which is about a health act & not the centre specificaly, neither of the two refs provide significant coverage of the centre. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 15:32, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I've been watching this since the nom. and hoping someone else would find something, but as it is on the second relist, I've taken a fuller look. I am unimpressed by an argument that says "are generally notable." If this is notable, there will be sources. If there are no sources, it is unclear how any encyclopaedic page can be written. The nom specifically cites WP:ORGSIG which says No company or organization is considered inherently notable. No organization is exempt from this requirement, no matter what kind of organization it is. So is this notable? I can't find sources talking about it. There is a touch more about the Welsh Health Common Services Authority which also has no page (not the same thing). There was a Welsh Centre for Rural Health and an institute for Health Informatics that were funded by Welsh Government but independent. There were a whole plethora of Welsh Health organisations over the years, all of which would be scraping the barrel to find their way beyond permastub status as pages. What is missing, I think, is some kind of page looking at the healthcare landscape in Wales. We have NHS Wales but that is largely the current situation. The Wales Centre for Health could be mentioned in an as yet unwritten page looking at the historical situation, but there is not notability for a page in its own right. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:12, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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