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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. This discussion is a bit difficult to process as so much of it revolves around the actions of specific editors and around the question of whether this is a joke, none of which are germane to the scope of a deletion discussion where we are trying to answer the question of whether an article/page should be allowed to stay on Wikipedia. On this front, most arguments are in favour of deletion for lack of notability and there hasn't been any evidence to the contrary posted, so delete it is. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:02, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WWE Yolo County Tag Team Championship

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No notable tag team title. The title is a joke, just cardboard belts which were created for a storyline. Sources are WP:ROUTINE ([1]) since are reports of the event. It was "created" yesterday and it's unknown if the promotion will keep the joke or is just one day thing. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:44, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions. Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 13:42, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • While assuming good faith i do want to point out that the AFD nominator has removed portions of thr article that were well sourced, suspicious that sources to help put the championship in context was removed before the AFD. MPJ-DK (talk) 15:02, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • I removed no notable stuff. For example, the reception is just "the public said YOLO" and has no relationship with the 24/7 title. Other things are OR, like "it's part of a local promotion" or "the history of the title is unknown before 2019". The source in the table doesn't mention the title, just HM defeated two jobbers. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 15:25, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • As I said "important context", comparing it to the last championship introduction, which was met with boos and jeers, while this had he crowd behind the title, with sources, provides context for the article. MPJ-DK (talk) 15:36, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        • @HHH Pedrigree: Are you sure "history is unknown prior to June 11, 2019" is considered OR? Since it means that there's no sourced proof of it's existance before that date. Thats more of a factual clarification rather than OR, thats a universally accepted piece of information just like "Paris is the capital of France" given what the general public knows right now. That said, Procedural Keep per @MPJ-DK:: A majority of the article is well sourced, overriding the OR argument,and well sourced information necessary for an article has been removed by the AFD nominator, and while I am assuming good faith from the nominator, which is you, HHH Pedrigree, such a move is risky because it creates a possible conflict of interest (not necessarily the one in Wikipedia policy terms since that covers people editing subjects relating to them personally, this usage is moreso by nominating an article that you removed passable sourced info from for deletion) and WP:GAMING when it comes to nominating for deletion: Removing passable content from the article before nominating for deletion so that the result can go in his favor. I don't think you did that in bad faith, but it was a little underhanded. Just be careful okay? :) DrewieStewie (talk) 16:57, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
          • I'm gonna explain my actions. First, my personal point of view, this is an article written from a fan perspective. The titles are one thing WWE created for some jobbers, like the Mexican Heavyweight title for El Gran Luchadore. I deleted info that, if the article isn't deleted, I think it's a lot of synth and, pure bullshit.
          • "The introduction of the until then obscure title seemed to be favorably received by the fans in attendance, chanting "YOLO" to show their approval." The title isnt' obscure, since it was created by WWE the same day. Second, also, source doesn't mention public approved the titles.
          • The reception was in stark contrast to the reception of the last championship introduced by WWE, the WWE 24/7 Championship that was loudly booed when introduced on May 20, 2019.[12][13][14] It also put the description of the WWE 24/7 Championship as the "the ugliest championship ever created" by wrestlers such as Edge, in question.[7][15] At least one commentator, Byron Saxton, could not believe what he saw, stating that "those cannot be real".[" I don't understand by the writer introduces the 24/7 reception here, not the Edge quote. To me, it's just SYNTH and introduces a lot of reliable sources without relationship with the article.
          • The debut of the championship also received international coverage upon it's WWE debut. Fake. Superluchas, as every week, reports Raw and Smackdown, just like Solowrestling in Spain. The titles didn't received international coverage, the show received international coverage. It's like creating articles for AJ Kirsh and Dave Dutra saying "their WWE debuts received international coverage".
          • The Yolo Country Tag Team Championship title change helped make SmackDown Live the top rated show on cable in the timeslot" Huge b****t. The source 18 doesn't ever mention the Yolo titles, and of course, doesn't say the yolo title change was a keypoint for numbers. 18= "Smackdown Live ratings for June 11, 2019 are now in. This week’s episode from Sacramento drew an average of 1.930 million viewers on Tuesday night according to a report by Showbuzzdaily.com. This is down from last week’s show that averaged 2.016 million viewers. Smackdown came in at No. 1 for the night on cable in the 18-49 demographics, which is where they placed last week. Demographic Ratings for Smackdown Live. Smackdown Live, headlined by Big E’s return to action, averaged a 0.60 rating among adults 18-49. This is the same rating they had last week."
          • For me, the article doesn't meet WP:GNG. I don't care if the title is a joke, the DDT Ironheavymetal weight is a joke. The 24/7 is a joke. But are notable. This article was covered just becuse appeared on a tv show WP:INHERITED, doens't have coverage by itself. I don't know if it's a long term gag, like 24/7, but it's WP:TOOSOON. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 23:43, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
            • My responses from the same message posted on my talk page below in top down order. MPJ-DK (talk) 00:19, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
              • you ASSUME they are from Yolo, do you have a source for that? Sounds like an OR argument to me.
              • Why is it introduced? Context my dear HHH. Is it not totally acceptable to compare the reception of "X-Men Dark Phoenix" to previous X-Men movies? I think that's legit and happens all over Wikipedia, why can one championship introduction be compared to the previous one to provide some context for anyone not familiar with the subject? Seems like it's Wikipedia's duty to educate, just trying to do my part. In addition "I don't understand" is not a good argument to remove content, I'd have to blank out a ton of articles I do not understand.
              • The Yolo Championship change was reported on by foreign sources, ergo it "received international coverage" - stated, sourced, FACT.
              • The show was the top rated show in the timeslot, the Yolo championship was part of the show. Nowhere does it state a "keypoint" so pleases keep your own interpretations out of this please.
              • No one (but you) have stated "the Yolo titles are huge deal", so that's not an argument that actually holds water. If you want to make an article on a jobber I am not stopping you, I am however stopping you from erroneously trying to undermine this article. Considering you nominated it and then tried to gut it of content it's hard to assuming good faith if your edits.
              • So ratings had been dropping, but kept even with the previous week's ratings so that's better than them keep dropping, the angle was one of the differences compared to the previous weeks. And the show was indeed the top rated show. So I think "Huge lie" is your personal interpretation of this.
            • In the interest of any future AFD closer you should know that HHH Pedrigree is engaged in an edit war on this article by consantly removing well sourced material from the article. I could assume good faith initially, but 2 quick reverts just now is nothing more than distruptive editing, not sure if he's trying to make his AFD case stronger or what, but it's not really a good look. MPJ-DK (talk) 23:52, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
              • I removed a section which is a huge interpretation of sources and, at some points' it's a lie. All my edits are explained here. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 23:58, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
                • And I disagree with your interpretation of the edits, so I guess we're at a stalemate here, but since I won't edit war the sections are removed and no one here can read them for themselves and see if it helps them make up their minds for or against Deletion. MPJ-DK (talk) 00:19, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
                • Oh and I apologize if I am getting a little passionate, just a big fan and I think this article has the potential for a Good Article and over time probably a Featured Article (and Featured List of we get List of WWE Yolo County Tag Team Champions). I try to have a discussion based on policy not my fandom, I apologize if I get carried away at times, not my intention. MPJ-DK (talk) 00:19, 14 June 2019 (UTC) (Card Carrying member of The "No Drama" Professional Wrestling Society (NDPWS))[reply]
  • Strong Delete for several reasons. WP:TOOSOON. Some things are uncitable, which leads to assumptions being made on its existence prior to Tuesday night (June 11, 2019). There was no announcement that these are now in fact WWE titles. It was said that they belonged to Yolo County Wrestling, and based on a quick Google search, that doesn't exist. Granted, in the past (like the 60s and 70s), WWE have claimed fictitious things when debuting titles (like Buddy Rogers winning a tournament that never actually happened), but back then, the internet wasn't really a thing, so kayfabe was much easier to get away with. The belts are made of cardboard, which is the biggest giveaway that this is a joke and not something that will last. MPJ-DK is a bit passionate on keeping this article, and I think that is largely due to him being the one who basically made the article, and I can understand that. This may pass GNG, but we also need to use common sense when deciding if an article should actually be made, regardless if it passes GNG. --JDC808 ♫ 01:08, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A few points below in the interest of enlightenment. MPJ-DK (talk) 02:37, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It says the history is unknown, which you agree with.
No announcement, but the WWE did do a "championship photo shoot" afterwards and posted it on WWE.com, I would no be opposed to moving it to Yolo County Tag Team Championship, I just went with what the article originator called it, I'm cool.
Article does not mention "Yolo County Wrestling" (any more)
Provide a source that confirms that this is a joke please.
Yes, I agree that it is unknown, which makes anything prior uncitable, so that then leaves us with OR to assume the jobber team were the inaugural champions and their reign length is only a day. If this were a "legitimate" title in professional wrestling terms, that would be one thing, but as of right now, this is not (no official title history exists).
WWE does lots of photoshoots (see quoted bit from fifth source provided below).
This is of course kayfabe, but shouldn't that still be mentioned?
No source from WWE is gonna right out call it a joke, not at this moment anyways (although Byron Saxton basically did during the broadcast), but none will call it an official championship either. Here are some other sources, however, that basically do:
--JDC808 ♫ 06:15, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
None of those quotes say that the championship is a joke, to SYNTH from the last one that "you’re not in WWE then you’re a joke" is an egrerious piece of Original Research. Oh and ringsidenews.com is not a reliable source either, so double whammy there. MPJ-DK (talk) 08:19, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You asked for sources that called it a joke. These are basically doing just that. "worth a laugh", "homemade belts', "jobbers wearing cardboard belts", "humorously", (in reference to unifying the belts), "spoofing WWE's traditional photoshoots", and the last is in reference to the so-called "inaugural" champions, and in turn this championship (essentially saying that WWE thinks anything outside of them is a joke). A source doesn't have to be an RS to recognize a joke, it would just be taken more seriously if it was an RS in this case (and ringsidenews is not the only website that cited Meltzer's quote, just the one I happened to grab). --JDC808 ♫ 09:47, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I did, and you did not provide a single one tha actually say they are a joke. I did not ask for "quotes you can infer they are a joke" to do a bit of SYNTH. So still have not provided anything saying that it is a joke. MPJ-DK (talk) 13:40, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The English language has many different ways to say something without using the exact language that you are asking for, though Meltzer's quote does in fact use the word joke (in referencing things outside of WWE, which these titles were presented as). --JDC808 ♫ 23:03, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So yes the word "joke" is used for something outside of WWE pre-dating this - a comment which you then WP:SYNTH to also apply to something that was not mentioned or even thought of at the time. So you have yet to present an actual source that says it is a joke to back up your claim despite several tries. Not saying you should give up, but you've had several swings and misses on this, maybe you need to walk away from an argument you are not able to make? MPJ-DK (talk) 23:19, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't predate it. This championship is part of that same quote. You can attempt to say these don't back my claim, but that's something for the admins, or someone not passionate about this, to decide. --JDC808 ♫ 00:26, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
When I am wrong, I am wrong - your piece of SYNTH is not based on a quote that predates the creation, sorry about the mistaken on dating the source you Synthezised into "this is a joke". MPJ-DK (talk) 00:37, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In the spirit of cooperation I will conseed that if you made the argument that that this championship is "speculated" to be part of a ‘it’s WWE or it doesn’t count you’re not in wrestling.' argument that would not have been a SYNTH argument. Does a speculation by an unreliable source belong in the artilce? Is speculation by someone outside WWE an argument for deletion? I leave that for others to judge. MPJ-DK (talk) 00:41, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't know It feels WP:TOOSOON but the article is well written. I would suggest merging somewhere but there is nowhere to merge; the first champions don't have articles and the current champions only have separate articles. The sourcing is entirely WP:ROUTINE match results. If these disappear after a few episodes of SmackDown then we'll at least need to delete them at that point.LM2000 (talk) 05:41, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm deciding on Move to draft. A lot of work has been put into this article and it would be a shame to delete it right now and then have to start from scratch if WWE keeps this going. It's just WP:TOOSOON to assume they will do that and WWE has a tendency to drop storylines without notice. Let's see where this stands in a month or two.LM2000 (talk) 18:59, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • Going with a hard Delete now that it's more clear this was a one-week gag. Obviously someone can keep this in their sandbox in case it makes another appearance but right now it doesn't belong in the encyclopedia.LM2000 (talk) 12:30, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I'm not sure how gimmick championships are done on here (i.e. the Internet Championship) but I don't see the belt lasting long. Plus the article is pretty poorly written. Also do they qualify as a legit accomplishment on the respective superstar's articles? Solitude6nv5 (talk) 11:14, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It depends, and this isn't even really a gimmick championship. The Million Dollar Championship is one that has a lot of notability and wasn't just a one time thing. This on the other hand is purely just for this one storyline. This title is currently listed on the "current" champions respective articles, though it really shouldn't be (their profiles on WWE.com do not list this as an accomplishment, last I checked at least). --JDC808 ♫ 12:51, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CRYSTAL and as an argument for deletion is invalid. MPJ-DK (talk) 13:42, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Saw that and like some other things WWE have said on Twitter, it's not an official WWE championship, nor is it officially recognized because WWE have already dropped this part of the storyline. Where were these supposed championships tonight? According to the commentators, Stomping Grounds will be Heavy Machinery's first title opportunity since joining SmackDown, essentially rendering the Yolo titles obsolete. I didn't get to see tonight's match live, but the video of the match posted to WWE's YouTube channel makes no mention of these titles (this same video has the commentator's remark). Then there's this post-match interview, and again, no mention of the Yolo titles as if they never existed. --JDC808 ♫ 04:33, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But they're not. --JDC808 ♫ 04:33, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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