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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete . Author claims the subject is three different people (including a school principal and a state legislator), and has admitted falsely claiming the subject is a cricketer as well. ... discospinster talk 03:59, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Vivek Pandit

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Biographical article about an Indian 'actor' who apparently has never actually acted. Every reference in the article serves to validate secondary trivial facts, like a festival existing, rather than him having anything to do with it. There are two references to 'Vivek Pandit' company executives, neither of which are the person in the article. Also featured is a link to a Times of India topic listing which has no articles whatsoever about this person. The references to his cricket 'career' are the best, including a link to a gaming website. I would have speedied this as a hoax, but given the size of the article I prefer for this to receive some consensus. Completely and utterly fails WP:GNG, not to mention the intention to deceive. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 20:53, 2 February 2013 (UTC) MOnUa12345 (talk) 23:12, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • This page should not be deleted. I know this person, he is a well known actor in regional cinema. Reference links seem to be a bit researching but overall since the actor comes from a backward region of India, the online information available about him is very low. Still, the sources which he linked are reliable and should not be deleted. He is afterall a successful actor, maybe a regional actor of a backward area with low access to technology and electronic media platforms. He is well covered in print media of his area as i also hails from the same area of Madhya Pradesh.MOnUa12345 (talk) 23:12, 2 February 2013 (UTC) {{MOnUa12345 (talk) 23:12, 2 February 2013 (UTC)|MOnUa12345}} — MOnUa12345 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Ahanaa (talk) 23:40, 2 February 2013 (UTC) this person is a regional actor from a backward area of India with little access to Internet. He is a well known figure in Madhya pradesh, India. He regularly features in local print media and is a well known personality regionally. This page has a healthy audience, you can see it in statistics. He is a celebrated actor among tribals and villagers of Madhya Pradesh, India. The reference links are Ok as per Backwardness of the region are concerned. Still the links are reliable. so keeping in mind the audience of this page and popularity of this guy among masses of backward area with little or no access to internet, i request you to not delete this page,added, it do have reliable and accountable references. Ahanaa (talk) 23:40, 2 February 2013 (UTC) — Ahanaa (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

I'm sorry, but your opinion on the subject (an disparaging comments about "backwards people") aside, can you please specify which links are reliable? Failing that, can you provide some that are not so obviously deceitful? §FreeRangeFrogcroak 23:59, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Ahanaa (talk) 00:19, 3 February 2013 (UTC) Sir, you said, "...'Vivek Pandit' company executives, neither of which are the person in the article..." which is wrong. He is the same person. He did engineering from Indore and had worked for some firms for some time. He became executive for TCS then he joined doon school where he was appointed board of governers. He then got a role in a regional film and started acting thereafter. The cricketing career may not have reliable references but its true that he often plays cricket for NGOs. He is not a cricketer. Backyard cricket is played by actors in backward areas of India to collect funds for poor. I request the article should not e deleted. It is a new article and i promise to add more reliable references to page. You can also see my work en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragash_Band where i have listed 100% authentic media sources. Sir please review my work and kindly donot delete this page as i had to expand it furthur with reliable sources. Thank You. Im waiting for your response. Ahanaa (talk) 00:19, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So you're saying that this person: [1][2] who is a businessman, is the same as person as this politician: [3][4], and that those two people are the same as the subject of your article? I'm waiting for your response. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 00:31, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Ahanaa (talk) 00:46, 3 February 2013 (UTC) Yes sir obviously. He is the same person. He was a executive, co-owner of doon school, a social worker who works for poor and a shiv sena MLA. Dont get offended by two pictures as the one i have provided in page is an old one. His current status is of a "MLA alongwith working on two film projects". He is nomore an executive or co-owner of doon school. Sir, i am going to add more references for the accuracy of my facts. YES, i confess the cricketing link was a hoax but majority of the other portion is from official source. I will expand the article with his more works with more authentic references. Thank you sir im waiting for your response. Ahanaa (talk) 00:46, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. I don't know that I'm 100% convinced that they're the same person. I have found a link to the facebook page of the politician Pandit here and the two look to be fairly different. One of the biggies is that the politician looks to be in his forties at the very youngest, while the actor looks to be in his twenties in the picture here in the article. The book link here also states that the politician Pandit would be in his fifties. I can see where the politician would be notable enough, but I am highly skeptical that the young actor on the page is the same person as the politician. The photo on the Wikipedia article isn't that old. I'm leaning towards most of the claims in the article being outright hoaxes at worst or at best, someone taking any mention of a Vivek Pandit as a mention of one person rather than several people with the same name.Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 00:53, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Upon looking at the article's sources, it quickly becomes apparent that it was sourced with links about two different Pandits that have nothing to do with the actor/model other than them sharing the same name. A look for photos of the politician and the executive easily show that they are separate people. I'm left wondering if this was all done accidentally or on purpose in the hopes that none of us would really check that deeply to verify that the young man in the photo is actually the same person as in the photos of the older men discussed in the news articles. I've decimated the article down to a one sentence stub because all of the information in the article was sourced by news and book articles that had nothing to do with the Pandit the article is discussing. That means that even if the info would be useful in establishing notability for the other Pandits, it doesn't give notability to this Pandit and we can't keep incorrect material in an article.Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 01:01, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Yep. What I suspect is happening here is that the author wanted to make a bio about someone (or himself), so he googled for the name, uploaded the photo and pasted all the links he could find. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 01:03, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I did a search and while links come up for several different Pandits, I was unable to find anything about this specific Pandit that is a model/actor. Given the complete lack of sources about this particular Pandit and the editor linking to various articles about other people that have nothing to do with the actor/model except having a similar name, I'm honestly wondering if this person really even exists. I didn't find anything except for junk hits that would come up with any search topic. (IE, sites that will mirror whatever you type in, whether they have anything about the subject or not.) I'd try to speedy this, but this should be deleted via AfD so that we can speedy any other attempts to recreate the hoax page. I'd also suggest a possible blocking of the editor that added the page, as this is a fairly clear hoax. Even if there is an actor/model out there by this name, adding links to other people that are very clearly not the same person and adding various incorrect info about someone in order to promote them is pretty much a hoax, whether it was intentional or not.Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 01:10, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ahanaa (talk) 01:16, 3 February 2013 (UTC) Believe me its not a spam. Im not a spammer. View my history, i always created valid and authentic pages. I know this person personally and he is surely the same. why are you not acknowledging the person. he is same. and let me again repeat im not a spammer who will do random search and create apam articles. you can view my user history and also view my page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragash_Band Ahanaa (talk) 01:16, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ahanaa (talk) 01:19, 3 February 2013 (UTC) PLEASE DONT DELETE why are u not acknowledging the user, he is same Vivek Pandit.Go through my user history im not spammer Ahanaa (talk) 01:19, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Ahanaa (talk) 01:38, 3 February 2013 (UTC) Tokyogirl deleted bulk of content from the page as "SHE" couldnot identify between three mere photographs.Is this policy of wikipedia???? I had worked very hard to gather all information about Mr. Vivek pandit and didnt took a second to delete it...why so??? i have provided with enough references and also justified it here on this talkpage then why are u deleting the article??? Ahanaa (talk) 01:38, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • First off, it's not just via photographs. It's also using the information given in the sources given. The information in the "Hottest Young Executives" article does not correspond with the information given in the book "Slavery in the Modern World", not to mention that the ages of the two Pandits does not correspond. It's two different Pandits. This link also confirms that it's two different people. If these were the same Pandits, then it would mention at least a few of the accomplishments mentioned in the slavery book. Businesses are very big about promoting their people's accomplishments and fame, even if that doesn't actually directly pertain to the business at hand. It's also fairly easy to see that none of the people in the pictures are the same Pandit. These are three completely different Indian men. Other than sharing a name, there is nothing to suggest that they're the same man. It's like trying to say that Peter Graves the actor is the same person as the sportscaster and cricketeer, when a search clearly shows that they're not. As far as your article history goes, I see where this article has been repeatedly deleted and I also see where you've added one other article. Given the poor sourcing in this article, I'm going to recommend that someone double checks the article for the Pragash Band to verify the information and links given. Even if you had a long editing history, that doesn't excuse incorrect usage of sources. I can't say enough that the person in the Wikipedia article and the people in the links in the article are not the same person. And I did take longer than three seconds to verify this. Although I will say that it didn't take long for it to become very obvious that you were using links that were not about the actor/model. None of the links for any of the Pandits mentions them moving into the acting field or working as a model. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 02:25, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • On a side note, I've opened up a sockpuppet investigation, given the extreme similarities in the two "keep" arguments. I'd like to mention that AfDs are not decided on votes. Also, I'm wondering why "she" is in quotation marks? Is that because you are unsure of my gender (which shouldn't matter in an AfD) or is it a form of an insult? Either way, it's rather inappropriate to put it in quotations like that. If you're just wondering what gender to address me as, I am female. And yes, the policy of Wikipedia is to remove any information that looks to be obviously incorrect or mis-cited.Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 02:40, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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