Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Violence against men (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Tone 23:20, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Violence against men

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Article was redirected to domestic violence which is a rather silly redirect. Article is empty. There could be an article here but at present there's not. Mystylplx (talk) 06:55, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Because most violence against men is by other men and is not domestic violence. Kitfoxxe (talk) 07:09, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I see from the previous nomination that the consensus was to delete, but somehow it was redirected to domestic violence instead. That redirect is inappropriate. It's even less appropriate than if violence against women were redirected there. I do think there could be a valid article written with this title, but it does not exist currently and the article should be honestly deleted rather than shoving those who search for it off onto a dubiously related article. Mystylplx (talk) 07:13, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how you can put all instances of violence when the victim happened to be a man or men together.Kitfoxxe (talk) 15:56, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The same way you can put all instances of violence when the victim happens to be a woman together. See Violence against women. There are LOTS of examples of institutionalized violence specifically directed against males, including gendercides and pretty much every war that's ever been fought. But that's not the point here. I'm not planning on writing such an article any time soon. I just think that leaving this article here with a redirect to Domestic violence is silly. Most sources say that domestic violence is one of the few types of violence that is more often directed at women. Redirecting violence against men to domestic violence is senseless. Plus, as I stated, the majority in the first AfD were for deletion. Not sure how it ended up redirected in such a silly way. Mystylplx (talk) 16:40, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If the article is to stay and simply be redirected then it should be redirected to something more appropriate, like War. Mystylplx (talk) 17:07, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 09:11, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looking through the article history, this appears to have been an article used mostly as a POV push against the existence of violence against women. We've got WP:POINT and WP:IDONTLIKEIT violations, a history of copyright problems, and the fact that the article is currently flopping between being blank, having just one sentence of content restating the article title, and redirecting to domestic violence. There might be a good article to be written, eventually, about domestic violence committed by women against men that could conceivably be placed at this title, but for now just delete the mess without a redirect. 63.227.126.119 (talk) 20:43, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- That was me. humblefool ® 20:45, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Domestic violence against men is an encyclopedic topic. This is an empty shell or a bad redirect or something and needs to go away to clear the field. Carrite (talk) 03:07, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete, as per the result of the first debate. I don't know why it was redirected in the first place, while the result of the discussion was speedy delete. - DonCalo (talk) 17:19, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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