Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vietnamese Student Association

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 10:33, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Vietnamese Student Association

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There is a false impression given that somehow there is a "generic" VSA; saying that "each VSA operates independently" is thus misleading. Much of this article is directory information, and much of the rest is some unencyclopedic talk of flags and politics. As a topic it's not notable because it's not a topic, and it (therefore) does not pass the GNG. Drmies (talk) 04:13, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and draft and userfy at best later if needed as this article is still currently questionable to where it would be best restarted altogether. SwisterTwister talk 05:01, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:11, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Or "speedy keep". This is a serious and good article based appropriately at the common name for these. It is clear about what it is, not misleading, and it includes a list of formal VSAs that are associations of having many chapters each. It is good to have a combo article providing context, history, and reducing need for separate short articles. There do exist associations that are formally related. And if all VSAs really were completely independent (I think not true) it would be worthwhile for an article to state that, about how they differ from student associations like honor societies and Greek partying and living clubs and ethnic/racial affiliated societes that have some loose national government.

Politically it would be not smart for Wikipedia to delete this, wiping out coverage of Vietnamese students, their organizations, their struggles (see mention of controversy at Cal State Fullerton for example). This could be like wiping out coverage of black student groups and civil rights struggles. When Wikipedia has vast coverage of Greek societies. See Category:Lists of chapters of United States student societies by college and browse up and down in category tree. The nommed article has content; compare to List of fraternities and sororities at George Mason University which has nothing but links to national Greek societies, many being arguably frivolous relative to issues of Vietnamese-Americans. Maybe this is an East coast vs West coast thing? Huge concentration of Vietnamese and Vietnamese-Americans in Southern California. I could imagine seeing media coverage of Wikipedia blowing this, akin to how media blew up issue of American novelists not including women ones. :(. My view is practical not "P.C.". Don't blow it.

And was the article read? It is not bad. The Nom has an opinion about editing in the lede, and maybe a good one, but that is an issue for talk page not AFD. --do ncr am 01:36, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Notice of this AFD posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Thailand and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Vietnam. --do ncr am 00:08, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:58, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as a mixture of WP:OR, WP:SYNTH and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. As the nominator correctly identifies, this article is about a group of associations rather than a single association. The sources cited do not discuss Vietnamese student associations in general, and some of them are not about Vietnamese student associations at all. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:25, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and Cordless Larry. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:55, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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