Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victoria Beltran (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:06, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Victoria Beltran[edit]

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G4 declined due to a new ref [1]. This is still an actress most known for a non-speaking role, according to the article. WP:ENT isn't close to being met. The coverage of "phoning death threats to her husband’s alleged mistress" shouldn't be included at all, and the "blacklisted" claims are entirely unsupported. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:28, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the article referred to above and this demonstrate WP:GNG compliance. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 00:33, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 20:53, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:57, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:57, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete If someone is most known for a role in which they did not speak they are just plain not notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:14, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What about mime artists? Jonpatterns (talk) 12:47, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Clearly this lady is not notable. Best wishes, George Custer's Sabre 14:14, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Keep Why do editors make nomination on the basis of inadequate sourcing before actually looking to see what other sources are out there. There are plenty which are not mentioned in this article. You can google it yourself and save me the copy and paste effort, a few of them are listed above. Bangabandhu (talk) 02:12, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Bangabandhu: If you have sources please post them here to support your position. I could only find the references already in the article. There is also the Vice article @Eggishorn: posted. Jonpatterns (talk) 10:43, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This BLP is of a non-notable person, that was recreated following a "delete consensus", that has since had no significant improvement of content or sources to assert any notability. It is an assumption of bad faith to "assume" that opposing !votes have not looked (or performed a "Before") for other sourcing. It is "NOT" a requirement to specifically state a search has been performed. I did look and the article showing a "non-speaking role" as well as one "supporting TBA role" and a "TBD supporting role" is about it. This does not even come close to satisfying GNG or "Any biography" to include WP:ENT. As for the source listed in a "keep !vote above, the source mentions the subject along with others and does not provide an exemption to GNG. It could be as easily used concerning Trump's one man anti-gay movement or film critic Danielle Solzman refusing to consider any movie portraying "cisgender people in trans roles". This line of thinking would be simply argued against by Robin Williams, Mrs. Doubtfire, and the many nominations and awards. What about Nathan Lane? An admittedly gay person (not transgender) playing in drag in the hilariously funny movie The Birdcage. Actors "act" and should be judged on those merits, not their real-world life-style no matter what it is, and qualify for a stand-alone article according to sourcing and notability. Otr500 (talk) 15:54, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I really wanted to say "keep" on this, but the sources are either mere mentions, or (as is the case in the Vice source above) they're primary; neither are enough to push this past the WP:GNG. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 00:54, 12 April 2018 (UTC).[reply]
Comment - normally, we don't have articles just for people who make page 6 of the Post. Are there better sources? Bearian (talk) 00:59, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.