Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victims of communism

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. There is consensus not to delete this because editors believe that this list is useful in some form or other, and to retitle it so that it is clear that it is about memorials, but there's no consensus about what the new title and scope should be. That's for editors to figure out now... Sandstein 10:56, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Victims of communism

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Doesn't seem to follow WP:DAB. I'm don't think that there's adequate sourcing to say that the Victims of Communism Memorial is referred to in a short form as "Victims of Communism", nor that Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation is referred to by "Victims of Communism" nor the other two memorials listed. I do not think that a disambiguation page is needed here for three memorials and the anti-communist think tank. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 03:39, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as it seems quite confused at the moment and as a DAB is not useful in terms of navigation. I am not quite sure what the article is trying to do but it doesn't seem to actually be speaking about people who died due to state violence under communist governments which would warrant a much larger discussion. Vladimir.copic (talk) 05:07, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rename List of memorials to victims of communism. There's a Category:Memorials to victims of communism, so a list with locations, types of memorial, dates created, etc. would be a welcome addition. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:10, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Clarityfiend: I'd be down to go ahead with this. Seems like a notable list. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 03:07, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to List of memorials to victims of communism. Certainly is confusing. However, I agree with Clarityfiend that a list is the best way forward. No Great Shaker (talk) 09:40, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the disambig. page because it may refer to a variety of subjects as in this version: memorials, other organizations and a lot more. My very best wishes (talk) 19:05, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Those extra entries are not valid dab entries. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:56, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why not? Having them would be helpful for a potential reader, and this is the only criterion we should follow. For example, Mass killings under communist regimes is about communism victims. So having it on the disambing. page seems OK to me. My very best wishes (talk) 16:00, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comparison of Nazism and Stalinism, Double genocide theory and Mass killings under communist regimes are not synonyms for "victims of communism". Clarityfiend (talk) 20:26, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Victims of Communism Memorial (disambiguation), and organize according to MOS:DAB (i.e. list only titles which are ambiguous with the page title, and move the thematically related entries to a "see also" section). No prejudice against also creating a List of memorials to victims of communism, many of which are not called "Victims of Communism Memorial". Ivanvector's squirrel (^trees/_nuts) 16:41, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a disambiguation page. No need to include the (disambiguation) qualifier per MOS:DAB.4meter4 (talk) 22:25, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - usefulness to the reader is the principal goal of a disambiguation page per MOS:DAB, and it certainly is useful in terms of article navigation and discovery. --Nug (talk) 06:03, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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