Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vecepia Towery

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Spartaz ^Humbug! 02:48, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vecepia Towery[edit]

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She may have been the very first African American and very first African-American female to win Survivor, and I see some hardcore fandom fawning over her. However, being such and such and such would not be enough to save the article from being deleted, redirected, or whatever else would happen to the article and to prevent WP:BLP1E (or WP:BIO1E) from being applicable. Even those appearing on highly-rated series doesn't make someone like her a high-profile individual. Even appearing in an episode of a TLC series and writing an autobiography (or two) would not cut it, IMO. Even doing other activities haven't prevented (articles about) other certain Survivor winners from being redirected to their own respective season articles (or deleted). The article must be redirected to Survivor: Marquesas. George Ho (talk) 08:58, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Women, Television, and Oregon. George Ho (talk) 08:58, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Justification to delete is flawed. WP:BLP1E needs three criteria to be met and the second one is not, as evidenced by the media interviews. Examples:

https://ew.com/tv/survivor-marquesas-vecepia-towery-robinson-quarantine-questionnaire/
https://www.avclub.com/i-was-called-the-n-word-black-survivor-all-stars-rev-1844171814

CT55555(talk) 01:16, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The AV Club article is more about racism than more about her, and the EW questionnaire is more of an interview and more of a primary source than secondary IMO. I can't believe you're trying to question my justification. George Ho (talk) 02:51, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You cannot believe that I'm trying to question your justification? That seems odd. If you thought this was a slam dunk obvious delete, you'd presumably have done a WP:PROD, and you didn't, so here we are, at WP:AFD. You have suggested it for deletion in a forum where the two main responses are invariably people supporting your justification or people refuting your justification. I see nothing unbelievable about this chain of events. The explanatory essay WP:LOWPROFILE helps us differentiate between high profile and low profile individuals and I think clearly supports my assertion that people giving media interviews are not low profile individuals.

I think my argument is logical, common sense driven and in line with norms here.

I find the essay WP:NOTBLP1E very helpful in these circumstances where people are discussing deleting articles based on their reading of WP:BLP1E.

I hope not to get into a long back and forth on this, I think my !vote speaks for itself and probably doesn't require further justification.

Guided by WP:WHATABOUT, I have not checked the link to another article discussion (regarding your reply below), I prefer to just focus on the article in front of us. CT55555(talk) 14:30, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What you argued just now reminds me of another editor doing the same thing, yet most AFD discussions on one-time Survivor winners resulted in redirecting those articles (and one deletion). You can keep citing essays all you want, but I'm unsure whether they can apply to this discussion. I retain my stance toward this article. George Ho (talk) 16:52, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, even low-profile or non-notable contestants, like this person (who doesn't have an article yet) and that person (whose Wikipedia article was converted into redirect per AFD), have agreed to respond to EW questionnaires. George Ho (talk) 03:50, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 13:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and/or merge If you remove the reality summary that reads like a novel synopsis, this article has 3.453 kBytes of prose size, 1.181 kB (194 words) of which is "readable prose size". That's very close to the lower limit of WP:SIZERULE and the suggestion on what to do at that size. -- Alex_21_TALK 09:38, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As a reality show game winner, this is the epitome of WP:BLP1E - this person is not notable for anything other than this win. Although the first African-American to win, this is still just a TV show winner. Lamona (talk) 22:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.