Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vanessa McIntosh

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Vanessa McIntosh

The result was 'Delete' - Per debate, no reliable sources assert encyclopedic notability of the subject.. Shell ^babelfish 00:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nominated for the fact article fails to meet WP:BIO, as article consists of trivial public appearances, also for the fact this is nothing but a vanity article of a non-notable person. Also, this user Celebritymodels has made edits in a manner to create a one-dimensional character of this AfD nominated person in the Big Brother 2005 (UK) page which has now been reverted.

Evidently this user is in a way of editing wikipedia in a way of promoting a client or would be in that case a vanity edit to create a one sided character of the person, notably this following edit from the Big Brother 2005 (UK) page

significantly this following is the edit this user has edited from [1].

Vanessa was hugely unpopular for her bitching about other housemates behind their backs, she was unpopular due to the fact that all she did was eat, bitch and sleep however she could hardly do anything in the house after sustaining an injury to her ankle.

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Vanessa was popular with audiences for her bubbly character, and her funny diary room entries. She was the girl next door type, friendly with most of the people in the house. Vanessa famously loved the colour pink and was always buying haribo sweets on the shopping list. She was overawed by larger characters in the house, but lost two stone in weight and was successful in pursuing a modelling career. She is now a contracted model to The Daily Sport. Dr Tobias Funke 22:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, only references are blogs and YouTube and so forth; reality show contestants are generally notable only if they win. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 22:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote this article in reference for Vanessa McIntosh. She has achieved things that other housemates from her series have not, and has contributed greatly. She is a celebrity commentator for YV Magazine, the sister newspaper to The Voice. This is Britains best black newspaper, and Vanessa has her own monthly column in it. She is in the public eye, and she is also involved with modelling. Vanessa is an inspiration to members of the black community, and to young girls who are aspiring models. She is also an ambassador for Beat Bullying and gives up her time for charity. Vanessa has a fan base over 29,000 people. If you check her myspace you will see this for yourself: www.myspace.com/officialvanessa

In response to Dr.Tobias Funke, I am sorry for editing someones elses page and I will not attempt ever to edit it again. Vanessa's public appearances of great significance to the urban community and also her contribution to several charities who rely on TV stars and models to generate publicity for their work, is a good cause. Vanessa has done television, music videos, modelling, charity work and commercials. She is more than just a "reality tv star".

In response to Ten Pound Hammer, I have now added more reliable sources to my references and sources, and I will continue to update this page. I only added youtube links so Vanessa's videos can be viewed online. Obviously this will not be my only primary source. I am still working on the page.

I am new to Wikipedia, and so perhaps my writing skills have not yet reached the perfection that your standards require. But I have spent a huge amount of time collecting references and researching Vanessa's career details to provide the most accurate account of her current status as possible, and I am still working on it. Please do not let this page simply be deleted because of one persons narrow minded view that "reality show contestants are generally notable only if they win".

This is a very biased statement, and Vanessa McIntosh deserves to have her biography updated. I agree not to edit information written about Vanessa on any other pages, as long as this one remains online. Thankyou & I urge you please do not delete this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Celebritymodels (talk • contribs) — Celebritymodels (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Number one, please don't spam deletion discussions. And number two, please sign your posts with four tildes, like this: ~~~~. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 00:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, we have notability guidelines for people on Wikipedia. "Reality show contestants are generally notable only if they win" isn't my opinion; it's the consensus of many Wikipedia editors. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 00:07, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless, Celebritymodels, any article on Wikipedia needs to conform to certain standards. In this case, you will want WP:BIO, and WP:N. Might want to pay attention to WP:BLP as well. In any event, a counted fan base does not register as notability under these standards, and Wikipedia is not a means of promoting anything or anybody. Further, a promise to only edit this page does not enter into this argument in any capacity whatsoever. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 00:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per my comment to the article's creator above. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 00:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per established precedent that reality show contestants are not notable unless they've done something outside the show. Corpx 01:43, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, because article is put together well with an image, a dozen references, external links, and definitely shows notability with multiple television appearances, multiple charity work, a nice biography, etc. Seems like someone with a career beyond the show and a well-done and sourced article like we're looking for. --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 01:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You do realize that most of the "references" are in the forms of MySpace and blogs, right? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 03:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is a vanity article presenting a one-sided view of a non-notable person. Notability has to be a long-term thing, and has to be established by multiple, reliable, independent sources (myspace and blogs, as per above comment, do not meet these criteria). EyeSerene^TALK 09:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now as per Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles... Article shows research and organization. There is also a fanbase that denotes some notability. J. T. Lance 10:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete The fan base is not a reason for keeping, and almost none of the references of either RSs or significant.23:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Delete and salt, she does not meet notability standards, and if this SPA has announced a desire to only edit this page then I would suggest salting to stop a recreation of a blatant vanity article. Darrenhusted 00:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now Dr.Ashley I think the article is very well organised, and shows notability of character. This person has done research, a good biography, photo etc. If the author has agreed to add more references, I see no problem with keeping it. The character has obviously shown a career after the show. Dr.Ashley 4.14, 12 July 2007
Delete, edited to be read out like a CV, notice that Beat Bullying on the introduction paragraph, a redlink entry, is bluelinked separately. Also, the article creator's username doesn't help as it sound suspiciously like a model agency. Willirennen 21:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Im not a modelling agent. I created the name "celebrity models" to write for models that I consider to have reached some status in their career to start writing articles for. Also I did not intend for it to look like a CV. When registering on Wikipedia, I first spent the time and effort researching what other celebrity models (if any) had been written about. I found the pages of Louise Glover and Leilani Dowding. And I based my layouts on a similar pattern to what had been written for them. However I see no one suggesting that the articles written for them be deleted. So why should this one? Thankyou. -—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Celebritymodels (talk • contribs).
- Comment That's not a legit arguement, see WP:OTHERSTUFF. -WarthogDemon 00:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please note also the following on the above page link you left:It is important to realize that countering the keep or delete arguments of other people by simply referring them to this essay is not encouraged (see also the section Just a policy or guideline below. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Celebritymodels (talk • contribs)
- Yes, it does. The principle is the same, however: just because other articles exist unchallenged does not set a precedent for literally anything to come in. Conversely, this AFD does not set the precedent for the deletion of the articles pertaining to Glover or Dowding. See WP:ALLORNOTHING for that. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 03:44, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
keep - my personal opinion is that she is a transient pop star whose 15 minutes are running out. However, the article does assert her notability, and she actually does do notable things. And the article is not badly written at all. I can't figure out what rules of Wikipedia can justify its deletion. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 19:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.